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Old 12-17-2013, 08:37 PM   #41 (permalink)
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For gods sake, is it that hard to understand? Nobody is saying you can't draft talent later on, just that it's exponentially easier to do so with a top 5 pick, anyone saying otherwise is out their mind.
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Old 12-17-2013, 08:40 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Oversimplifying would be saying all you need is good scouting to get stars through the draft.
Oh, give it a break. I know what I said. I take no responsibility for what you understand.
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:26 PM   #43 (permalink)
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A lot of teams passed on both of those guys.

Same thing is likely to happen in this coming draft.

A top 5 pick doesn't guarantee a franchise player. There are usually a few busts or semi-busts thrown in there too. See Bargnani, Andrea.
Indeed. That always happens.

A top 5 pick increases the likelihood of getting such a player. Don't want to get into that but CB wanted LA.
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:36 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I just want Parker. we get him, well all be able to sit tight n enjoy
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:40 PM   #45 (permalink)
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A lot of teams passed on both of those guys.

Same thing is likely to happen in this coming draft.

A top 5 pick doesn't guarantee a franchise player. There are usually a few busts or semi-busts thrown in there too. See Bargnani, Andrea.
what use discussing what if scenarios. Point is, in this draft there are 4-5 players of that calibre, and I guarantee you they won't be available at 10+ picking. I guess it could be possible for a future superstar to somehow sneak unobserved in the later stages, but that's unlikely and then we also have to be able to find that needle in a haystack. When we could, relatively easily, get a top 5 pick and just have to worry about drafting the right superstar prospect
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Old 12-17-2013, 11:00 PM   #46 (permalink)
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what use discussing what if scenarios. Point is, in this draft there are 4-5 players of that calibre, and I guarantee you they won't be available at 10+ picking. I guess it could be possible for a future superstar to somehow sneak unobserved in the later stages, but that's unlikely and then we also have to be able to find that needle in a haystack. When we could, relatively easily, get a top 5 pick and just have to worry about drafting the right superstar prospect
As many have said before me.... we're not bad enough to get a top 5 pick unless we deal DD, Lowry, Amir AND probably JV too.

I guess we could do that and end up with Wiggins or Parker this summer.... but what would be the point if the rest of our team blows? Unless people think that these kids are good enough to win games by themselves?

Sorry... but there's no Lebron James in this draft. Not that I've seen anyway.
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Old 12-18-2013, 02:07 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Don't NBA decide who they give #1 pick?
I bet they'll give us Wiggins anyway, if only just to say sorry for AB
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Old 12-18-2013, 02:14 AM   #48 (permalink)
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because we're toronto, we have to draft good to be a contender in the playoffs, but this masai good is on another level, so i don't really know now. Toronto is booming now though, more people are becoming careless about where they play as long as its in the nba. We'll see what happens in the next couple of years. we're still a young franchise with a loyal fan base across the country
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Old 12-18-2013, 02:21 AM   #49 (permalink)
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I'm not saying that they didn't accumulate some talent through the draft.... What I was trying to point out was that those teams didn't acquire that talent with high picks.

And SAC should have reached the Finals... if not for being screwed by the refs against the Lakers.
did you totally just gloss over my post or what?
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Old 12-18-2013, 03:24 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Indeed. That always happens.

A top 5 pick increases the likelihood of getting such a player. Don't want to get into that but CB wanted LA.
Oh man, could you imagine if the Heat somehow lost in the finals and CB went to the Blazers? With two of the best jump shooting, and coincidentally two of the most experienced, big men they'd easily be the best team in the league.
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Old 12-18-2013, 04:41 AM   #51 (permalink)
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cb and aldridge? so ugly man. imagine dwight in a blazers jersey that rebounding OP with their 3 pt shooting
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Old 12-18-2013, 07:58 AM   #52 (permalink)
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^Yeah, except they could realistically afford CB when he'll be a free agent this offseason. They still don't pay Lillard for a little while longer. And while a lot of people might not want to admit it, CB is actually a good rebounder and can easily average ten a night given the minutes.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:00 AM   #53 (permalink)
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^Yeah, except they could realistically afford CB when he'll be a free agent this offseason. They still don't pay Lillard for a little while longer. And while a lot of people might not want to admit it, CB is actually a good rebounder and can easily average ten a night given the minutes.
Unless cb signs for like $2 mil I don't see how this is possible.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:26 AM   #54 (permalink)
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If Bosh is going anywhere besides resigning with Miami, I think he would sign with Dallas to play in front of his home town. I'm not a huge fan of a Dirk/Bosh front court, but Dallas will have the cap space as Marion, Dirk, Carter, Harris, James, Crowder and Blair with possibly Dalembert's team option not being picked up, will only have $26,556,235 in salaries commited for next season. I see them resigning Crowder and Blair for between 2-4 mil each as they were paid peanuts this season. James, Dalembert and Harris will not be back, especially Harris as they still have Shane Larkin waiting to return from his broken ankle injury. Lastly they will resign Dirk, Marion and Carter with Carter getting a small raise to 4mil per yr for 2yrs, Marion drops between 6-7mil per yr for 2yrs and Dirk takes a major pay cut and drops to between 13-15 mil per yr for the next 3yrs. If they do this they will still have enough to sign Bosh, plus they could look to trade the expiring contracts of Brendan Wright and Wayne Ellington to help get back 7.5mil in cap space.

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Old 12-18-2013, 11:46 AM   #55 (permalink)
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As many have said before me.... we're not bad enough to get a top 5 pick unless we deal DD, Lowry, Amir AND probably JV too.
that's a joke, right? With all those players we are 3.5 games out of 5th worst and while our schedule was tough, we had 0 injuries so far to even things out.

without lowry, we'll be a top 5 team, we have nobody remotely close to his value. vasquez is a good offensive guard, but I shudder to think what a backcourt of demar/vasquez would allow on D

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Sorry... but there's no Lebron James in this draft. Not that I've seen anyway.
people who do this for living think this is the best draft since Durant's draft. I haven't seen anybody who doesn't think this will be a draft loaded with top prospects. Maybe not lebron/durant level, but I'd be ok if we "only" draft a westbrook/rose/griffin or anthony davis type of guy. I think that would make us slightly better
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Old 12-18-2013, 11:48 AM   #56 (permalink)
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one thing that may derail plans is teams like memphis or chicago trying to pull a SAS on the league. I'm a little bit worried by all the "injuries" coming out of Memphis right now ...
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Old 12-18-2013, 11:54 AM   #57 (permalink)
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I sure hope you didn't just intentionally clip away all the drafts before 2003 to disguise reality and prove your "point." Ever heard of a guy called Tim Duncan. Tyson Chandler. Pau Gasol. Kenyon Martin. Chauncey Billups. Keith Van Horn. Allen Iverson. Marcus Camby. Antonio McDyess. Jerry Stackhouse. Jason Kidd. Penny Hardaway. Shaq. Mourning. Finals appearances all.

That's just back to '92. Several of those players are still playing or are just recently retired, so you get an idea of the impact over an entire career, rather than just the first 5 years on average that your sample pulls from.

And that ignores the entire "team" factor that is so important in sports. Bad management or even just bad luck can doom a very skilled player to no championships or finals appearances. Just look at the Nash-led Suns. Or Stockton and Malone.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:25 PM   #58 (permalink)
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that's a joke, right? With all those players we are 3.5 games out of 5th worst and while our schedule was tough, we had 0 injuries so far to even things out.

without lowry, we'll be a top 5 team, we have nobody remotely close to his value. vasquez is a good offensive guard, but I shudder to think what a backcourt of demar/vasquez would allow on D
Its not a joke (minus the JV) and I don't even know how you think this. 3.5 games out of 22 games is a lot not a little. What you keep proposing is precisely no mans land.

Or we could gamble it all on a starter breaking an ankle instead, but that's the only way this current team gets there.

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What you keep proposing is precisely no mans land.
and what exactly I proposed? What I would prefer, is to keep ross/jv and trade at least one of demar/amir/lowry depending on what's being offered for each. Ideally, we'd trade demar and lowry and keep amir's friendly contract, but I would not sell demar cheaply.

I'm just surprised that so many seem to believe we are actually any good because we won 3 games that each had a major question mark (kobe's 1st game, philly without MCW and Chicago on their 4th game in 5 nights).

You can't call yourself a good team when you're still waiting for your first win against a .500 team a quarter of the season in ...
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Old 12-18-2013, 02:43 PM   #60 (permalink)
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that's a joke, right? With all those players we are 3.5 games out of 5th worst and while our schedule was tough, we had 0 injuries so far to even things out.

without lowry, we'll be a top 5 team, we have nobody remotely close to his value. vasquez is a good offensive guard, but I shudder to think what a backcourt of demar/vasquez would allow on D
Have we been shutting down good PGs with Lowry here?

I must have missed those games....


As for our record.... you know that the team post-Gay is quite a different one from the team WITH Gay right? No, we're not world-beaters now but we're not the 5th worst either.
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