What does this team really have?
Old 07-14-2010, 06:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been reading a lot of threads lately, and maybe this is just me, but nobody is taking the time to look at what we have. I mean people in the Summer League thread are talking about how well/poor DeMar, Sonny, and ED are playing, but not in terms of their futures. Right now the future seems to be dependent on the Young Gunz and Andrea, but are they really fit to lead a team to a championship?

I guess my question is:

What do we really have?

With Barbosa can this team win now...and with his contract coming off of the books either next year or 2012, can this team sign a "big" free-agent?

Overall, what is the state of this franchise?

Discuss! Dispute! and especially...Debate!!
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Old 07-14-2010, 07:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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We have a lot
What we don't have is a starting lineup. Lots of guys (in fact too many) on the roster and no clear cut starters except Bargnani.
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Old 07-14-2010, 07:36 AM   #4 (permalink)
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what do we have ?

1. DD and Weems : good potentiel solid player and offensive maker (like a couple we shouldn't plau one without the other)
1.1 Weems : to me, he is the other face at the coin of DD. Just athletic as DD, a lite about try to do too much some times (i think it's 'cause of his first year where he didn't get confidence)
1.2 DD: what a flyboy to me. This guy isn't just that. Maybe if some coach tell him how became a PG, he would be great, i'm sure he can drive very well the ball and decide who can make a play, because he can be a facilitator.

2. Amir : what this guy can do ? he is in it's 6th year in the league. he is just improve, he emerged and show us how he is hungry to minutes, and how he can fit very well here.

3. Bargs : he could be a good great player if only he can become a lot better defender, like Gasol.
but i think he can be the SF. yes i know he is not he spot, but i think he would be very great.
he is a perimeter guy more than a rebounder or a dunker (but he can do it as well too).

4. JJ: i like this guy. he love toronto and i think he learn this year what matter the most in his carreer. Have a team who can not run a championship but can really be a team like UTah (in the futur, playoffs contender) he should show us this year what is his potentiel really. let's him have more minutes, let's him become confident to run this team.

5. Dorsey.
what a surprise to me, to discover that C. he is tremendous (for now in SL). BUT how he compete for the ball under the ring, i saw him like a undervalued superman v2.0 (Dwight howard) he love catch the ball, but unlike DH he score FT very well. this guy would be a true center if we let's him go for it. and at his age, he hope have some minutes and show he can do it. so let's Triano use him and we would have with Amir and good towers control in the inside.

6. Jose :
WTF... i don't like this guy, he don't fit in the triano system. he is soo inconsistant, than i prefer banks (what he show during caldy injury). get him a rid in whatever team... good bye

7. banks:
a solid backup PG in the 3 position. he show us he can be there when other pg are not (injury)

8. Belli:
i prefer say anything about him, he is so inconsistant, why is he a NBA player ? good bye.

9. Evans
i'm soory for him he get injure before the season and for almost 2/3 of the season. he can't return like he was in phily. but, with a forward and C we got wright now, how can he have some minutes here.
dorsey is younger, cheaper and a bit more hungry than him. GOOD BYE.

10.Davis
a draft guy, with some qualilty, let's just focus on growing him up. i'm sure he can develop and become a amir johnson guy in few years or maybe a david lee.

11. Alabi :
what a long guy, he remenber Bargs a lite. can do offense in the perimeter, but he is more defensive player style. i hope he can be a solid C. With Dorsey, they can be our couple C during many years.

12 Turk :
he is gine oki, so i don't talk about him.

13. barbosa :
if we get him, i think he can be a good bench PG, a solid backup for JJ and a syle change in a game when he came of the bench.


that is our team right now, no ?

i hope, and i want BC go for young players when he trade our big contract.
i don't want he do a rebuild, i want he does a refounder, with some young guys who can show us durinf these 2 future season how they can improve without a star, who care so much about him.

get some nice and young piece, get some cheap contract, get an OKC style and continue with triano to go for offensive mindset, with more defensive abilities.

WE HAVE a solid perspective team, a team who can become by itself a real good 5th spot in the east in two years, if only we let 's a bread baked.

so stop want's some player who have so much nothing to prove now, and let's see what our young team can do.

i think in two years when nash will stop play NBa, we should engage him as coach PG and this year get Barkley to coach our big.

maybe the staff isn't so bad, but i think we need somthing else than an staff teacher.
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I'll just say that I don't agree with most of Bankiz evaluations
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Bankiz your analisys has too much "ifs" and "maybe" and is based on the assumptio that some player will play great based only on some flashes you've seen last year.
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listen i watch every game, and basicly he thinks flashs can be to young player what they can become. yes and i'm proud to think like that.

but i think we can test something else better than what we do since vince Carter out.
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Old 07-14-2010, 08:24 AM   #8 (permalink)
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i forgot to say that the system will change this year.

WITHboth, hedo and Bosh out, we don't have anymore star who want the ball. so the speedy young gunz, the defensive mindset and the coherence of a inexperience team should be what we must do.

i don't say dorsey, davis, alabi or even weems should start, but what a solid second team with a bobby brown to show us and growing up with this 4 and do goos job.
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Old 07-14-2010, 08:43 AM   #9 (permalink)
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i forgot to say that the system will change this year.

WITHboth, hedo and Bosh out, we don't have anymore star who want the ball. so the speedy young gunz, the defensive mindset and the coherence of a inexperience team should be what we must do.

i don't say dorsey, davis, alabi or even weems should start, but what a solid second team with a bobby brown to show us and growing up with this 4 and do goos job.
Dorsey, Alabi, Bobby Brown? :facepalm:
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this team has, some more work to do.
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I'll just say that I don't agree with most of Bankiz evaluations
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Old 07-14-2010, 09:04 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Bargnani as SF? :facepalm:

DeRozan as PG? :facepalm:

JJ as a PG for a contender? :facepalm:

Banks better than Calderon? :facepalm:

Hell no, dont agree with ya...
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Michael Grange today in the star mentioned that Toronto might be talking to Indiana to trade Jose for Hibbert. Obviously it would have to include more players. Not sure I like Hibbert that much though?
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Michael Grange today in the star mentioned that Toronto might be talking to Indiana to trade Jose for Hibbert. Obviously it would have to include more players. Not sure I like Hibbert that much though?
Hibberts a soldid back-up C. I'd take him, if another players included.
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Michael Grange today in the star mentioned that Toronto might be talking to Indiana to trade Jose for Hibbert. Obviously it would have to include more players. Not sure I like Hibbert that much though?
I like his contract and we do need a back up for Bargs
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WTF HAPPENED TO Chandler!!?? Kleiza, Barbosa are the weak ass inconsistent type of garbage players Colangelo has been able to get since starting here. We needed tough players who can score in tough situations. Fuck Colangelo is weak man. PEDDIE, GET RID OF COLANGELO!!!

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Old 07-14-2010, 09:49 AM   #17 (permalink)
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The team you see now isn't the team you will see at the start of the season.
The state of the franchise isn't that bad and yes we will be in a position to sign an impact free agent within 2 years.

I think 1st if you look at the young players Bargs, Amir, Klieza, DD, Weems, JJ, Dorsey, Beli and Alabi. We have a combination of defense and speed. Will they all be stars thats very unlikely.

Bargs has the potential to be a a Amare, Boozer, Bosh caliber player and this year is the time he will either shine or expose the feet of clay that many of you think he has.
For me if he plays C I see 22-25PPG, 7.5-9 RPG, 1.8-2.5 BPG, 1.8 -2.5 APG, 1 SPG and a potential allstar birth.

DD & Weems I see one of them if not both being a extremely solid starting player both are athletic, smart and have a work ethic. See them as potential Prince/Hamilton combo in Detroit's glory days. No DD will not be Vince but will bring more of a complete game without the attitude.

Amir this will be the 1st time he starts and he is still young 23 and I see him as a David West type of production. Remember West was just entering the leauge in his 23rd year and Amir has 4 seasons from a high school student. Looking for 14PPG, 9RPG, 2APG, 1.5BPG, 1SPG. He will never be as dynamic as Bosh offensively but will compensate defensively. He still need to make better decisions on fouls but the coaching staff helped him improve last year.

Davis to early to say worst a OK back-up best extremely strong defensive PF who can put up 12 PPG.

Klieza a good productive SF with a good balance of offensive and defensive abilities.

JJ good back-up point guard who likely will start this year. He will put it all on the floor but also a liability in creating for others and defensively. But a valuable cog in the future Raptors as a back-up.

Dorsey he will be everything we expected from Evans last year at 1/10th the price. He is a beast and knows that he is a bit player but will perform to the height of his abilities.

Leonardo had a bad year with injuries and some personal problems. But he is an up tempo player to give us depth and instant offense. Plus his contract expires in 2 years.

Alabi a project better to spend time in the D league to get playing time.

Beli if he can consistantly be a impact player in short bursts great if not trade fodder or expiring.

I'm going to assume that Jose will be gone.
Banks and Evans will take there places at the end of the bench either traded or expiring.

We need some pieces..... those would have been mostly addressed in the Jose/Evans for Chandler/Diaw trade.

It would be nice to have a defensive C to change the pace of the game not to replace Bargs at C but to give a different look logging about 15 minutes a game.

We could also use some veteran depth where Diaw would come in with flexibility to play 3 positions in a crunch.

Needs in future a stud PG #1
Defensive C as a back-up.

Getting the star player?
We can get that player 2 ways look at the best non-American free agent every year likely Gasol next year.
Trade for Rubio would much perfer to play in Toronto than in Minny.
Yes Minny can be cranky....because they do control his rights but do you really want a player on your team that doesn't want to be there? ( flashback Vince )
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you serious?

I think Hibbert would be a really good trade. I don't know why they would go for it to tell you the truth, he reminds me of Perkins.
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Old 07-14-2010, 10:27 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Right now the Raps look like a lottery pick contender. It's also a good thing the season doesn't start in July. BC still has over 2 months to assemble a balanced roster. I'm hopeful that Calderon and the trade exception (25 million dollars in combined salary allocation) will translate into 2-3 impact players. I'll reserve judgement for the opening night lineup...

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Old 07-14-2010, 10:31 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Calderon for Hibbert? Yes please. Where do I sign? That trade is a no-brainer. Hibbert is still developing a bit, but has shown glimpses of where he dominates. I don't understand why Indiana does taht deal. Toronto would have to throw a draft pick or two to make it happen.
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