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Old 07-07-2013, 07:42 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Quick question. Is Kleiza the only player on our roster that is eligible for Amnesty?

If yes, not using it on Kleiza (saving it) would be a waste?

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Old 07-07-2013, 07:43 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Quick question. Is Kleiza is the only player on our roster that is eligible for Amnesty?

If yes, not using it on Kleiza (saving it) would be a waste?
Derozan, Kleiza, Amir
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:43 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Quick question. Is Kleiza is the only player on our roster that is eligible for Amnesty?

If yes, not using it on Kleiza (saving it) would be a waste?
Amir, but no.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:51 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I wasn't registered here when Bosh was on the roster (nor were you for that matter but I digress) but 20/10 is only called "empty stats" when the team is not in the playoffs. Empty stats are when you put up those stats and your team still sucks. That Raptors roster with lee would be in the playoffs, therefore the stats wouldnt be "empty".

McGee and Sanders aren't PFs, they are Cs. McGee didn't even start, so that kind of defeats the purpose of saying MU had him in Denver. Faried is not the rim protector you make him out to be. He averages a block per game. When you put him with guys like those 3 who average or have averaged around 3 bpg, he doesn't really fit.
Well I've been lurking on this board for a long time so there's that. Might have mixed up the term empty stats with hollow stats, you know my english is still a bit shaky.

But Lee has been putting up those numbers for many many years now (kinda like Zach Randolph's path in the NBA) yet never was part of anything remotely succesful up until last year with GS. So I wouldn't make him out to be much of a gamechanger, at least not moreso than Derozan (both had their moments and Demar has only been in the league for a few years.)

Your next part about those 4 players is a bit pointless. I never suggested we'd actually get any of those 4. They obviously possess the same skillset and regardless if they're 4's or 5's a player with such qualities would benefit our starting five. Amir will do for the time being but perhaps we can look for a cheap successor through the draft.

You're underestimating Faried btw - he would easily average 2,5 to 3 bpg if he didn't have to share a frontcourt with McGee and... yes... Koufos). Whether Mcgee was a benchplayer or not is also besides the point, MU had plenty of opportunity to observe both McGee and Faried and when they have their heads on straight, the Nuggets are a better team.

The Raps would be smart to bring in a similar type player on the cheap, rather than bring in another offensive weapon who demands the ball in order to be effective.
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Derozan, Kleiza, Amir
How is Derozan eligible? He signed contract after new cba

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Old 07-07-2013, 08:04 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:23 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I think it's fine to use the Amnesty on Kleiza if you have to, and you know how deals will go in the future, but don't end up in some sticky situation later when you wish you still had it. Some other teams have used that at the perfect moment when they wanted to close a deal.
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Kleiza and Amir can be amnestied. No DeRozan. I don't care either way whether Kleiza gets amnestied - even if he stays, he's not playing much. Only reason to amnesty him is to have some cap flexibility, and only reason not to is to have his expiring as a trade chip. Whichever Ujiri deems more valuable is fine with me.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:43 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Kleiza and Amir can be amnestied. No DeRozan. I don't care either way whether Kleiza gets amnestied - even if he stays, he's not playing much. Only reason to amnesty him is to have some cap flexibility, and only reason not to is to have his expiring as a trade chip. Whichever Ujiri deems more valuable is fine with me.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:16 PM   #50 (permalink)
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how about this, teams that have yet to add any players of note this off season:
East

orlando
philadelphia
boston
toronto
indiana
miami


West
Utah
OKC
Lakers

There are the teams that are obviously tanking (Orlando, Utah, Boston, Philadelphia), the teams who are not allowed to go over the luxury tax by their owners (OKC, Indiana), the special case of the Lakers who had to wait for howard to decide, Miami who doesn't really need anything and then there's Toronto. We are allowed to go over the luxury limit, we do have a lot of needs if we are serious about competing for a playoff spot, and yet we're not doing anything.

If July goes without any serious addition, the season will be obviously compromised - with our current bench there's no way we make the playoffs even if everybody stays healthy all season long. Since it would make no sense to just lose a season without at least a shot at wiggins, even if we don't do anything, I'd still say it's a clear sign we're just waiting for a chance to unload our assets at fair value.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:30 PM   #51 (permalink)
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how about this, teams that have yet to add any players of note this off season:
East

orlando
philadelphia
boston
toronto
indiana
miami


West
Utah
OKC
Lakers

There are the teams that are obviously tanking (Orlando, Utah, Boston, Philadelphia), the teams who are not allowed to go over the luxury tax by their owners (OKC, Indiana), the special case of the Lakers who had to wait for howard to decide, Miami who doesn't really need anything and then there's Toronto. We are allowed to go over the luxury limit, we do have a lot of needs if we are serious about competing for a playoff spot, and yet we're not doing anything.

If July goes without any serious addition, the season will be obviously compromised - with our current bench there's no way we make the playoffs even if everybody stays healthy all season long. Since it would make no sense to just lose a season without at least a shot at wiggins, even if we don't do anything, I'd still say it's a clear sign we're just waiting for a chance to unload our assets at fair value.
Um, the Lakers don't really have to do anything. They'll only have Nash on the books in 2014/2015. FA Madness for them next summer.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:30 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I've been pondering on this recently, and although a lot of guys here act like it's a guarantee we make the playoffs, i really don't like our chances.

Teams definitely better than us - no explanation needed
Miami
Chicago
Indiana
NY
Brooklyn

Teams probably better than us
Atlanta - the drop off from Josh Smith to Millsap is not too big and they were a quality team last year. They're also supposedly going for Monta Ellis or Jennings.
Washington - John Wall played like an all star last year, they were really hitting their stride at the end of the year, Beal will likely improve in his 2nd year.

That's 7 teams...that leaves us, Detroit, Milwaukee, and Cleveland fighting for the 8th seed. Personally I think Detroit might be a better team than us, especially if Drummond is ready for big minutes and Monroe develops his J further. Milwaukee has made some win-now moves, i highly doubt they tank. Cleveland still has a lot of cap space, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a big trade, not to mention they do have Kyrie who they will want to keep happy. I would be crushed if we ended up 9th or 10th again.

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Cleveland has already added, through the draft and with JJ and probably more soon... they'll be better with Anderson back too.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:23 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I've been pondering on this recently, and although a lot of guys here act like it's a guarantee we make the playoffs, i really don't like our chances.

Teams definitely better than us - no explanation needed
Miami
Chicago
Indiana
NY
Brooklyn

Teams probably better than us
Atlanta - the drop off from Josh Smith to Millsap is not too big and they were a quality team last year. They're also supposedly going for Monta Ellis or Jennings.
Washington - John Wall played like an all star last year, they were really hitting their stride at the end of the year, Beal will likely improve in his 2nd year.

That's 7 teams...that leaves us, Detroit, Milwaukee, and Cleveland fighting for the 8th seed. Personally I think Detroit might be a better team than us, especially if Drummond is ready for big minutes and Monroe develops his J further. Milwaukee has made some win-now moves, i highly doubt they tank. Cleveland still has a lot of cap space, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a big trade, not to mention they do have Kyrie who they will want to keep happy. I would be crushed if we ended up 9th or 10th again.
don't sleep on Charlotte, they've added some good pieces too and remember they were ahead of us for much of last season until they had that massive losing streak.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:48 PM   #55 (permalink)
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we'll nab 8th or 7th, and I think we'll flirt with 4th-6th until an injury occurs for 10 or so games and we drop back down to earth, similar to the year where Bosh injured his face and we freefell, except this time we won't fall as far me thinks

we have a really solid starting five, and with hansborough added on a modest contract using the bi-annual, and with the mle still there for a backup pg, it's not hard to fathom we'll make it. People underrate our starting five, especially with val (I'm pretty sure) taking a big step forward, DD as always getting better (hopefully in D and his long j) and with lowry not having any ocho drama, and with casey finally being freed of the supposed BC shackles in terms of team Identity.

also, a note: hansborough was signed to 2 years. don't most our contracts expire in 2015? I think Ujiri is planning something very big that summer
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we'll nab 8th or 7th, and I think we'll flirt with 4th-6th until an injury occurs for 10 or so games and we drop back down to earth, similar to the year where Bosh injured his face and we freefell, except this time we won't fall as far me thinks

we have a really solid starting five, and with hansborough added on a modest contract using the bi-annual, and with the mle still there for a backup pg, it's not hard to fathom we'll make it. People underrate our starting five, especially with val (I'm pretty sure) taking a big step forward, DD as always getting better (hopefully in D and his long j) and with lowry not having any ocho drama, and with casey finally being freed of the supposed BC shackles in terms of team Identity.

also, a note: hansborough was signed to 2 years. don't most our contracts expire in 2015? I think Ujiri is planning something very big that summer
Finally, someone thinking what I'm thinking. Don't sweat this year. It's a must given our current roster and set of contracts. M.U. could have made some Colangelo deals by now with 4 year contracts to level B and C players instead of A players, leaving us in prison longer.

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Finally, someone thinking what I'm thinking. Don't sweat this year. It's a must given our current roster and set of contracts.
and it's not like this draft is the end all of drafts. shabazz was written to be a god in HS, and look what happened. and even if it is so great, there will be other great ones, and other great prospects. people are just torn up because of all the hype this particular draft is getting
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and it's not like this draft is the end all of drafts. shabazz was written to be a god in HS, and look what happened. and even if it is so great, there will be other great ones, and other great prospects. people are just torn up because of all the hype this particular draft is getting
We can look at it this way also.....after an evaluation year, if it is determined, for example, that either Lowry or Demar are not keys to the core moving forward, we have the player to be moved as an asset, our own 2014 1st, NY's 2016 1st. It allows for many options. Keep stockpiling picks, move up in the 2014 draft for BPA, take a pick and an expiring for the player to be moved, whatever MU sees fit. Better than stockpiling average talent to long-term contracts just to appease us that something is being done.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:32 PM   #59 (permalink)
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and it's not like this draft is the end all of drafts. shabazz was written to be a god in HS, and look what happened. and even if it is so great, there will be other great ones, and other great prospects. people are just torn up because of all the hype this particular draft is getting
shabazz was only pegged as one of the top player in a bad draft. At no point this draft was considered anything but a bad one. The upcoming draft is unanimously forecasted to be the best in a decade. I've yet to see a single article that refutes that. Whether it will be higgins or somebody else, that can (and will ) definitely change in 12 months. But the draft is shaping to be a historic one.
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We can look at it this way also.....after an evaluation year, if it is determined, for example, that either Lowry or Demar are not keys to the core moving forward, we have the player to be moved as an asset, our own 2014 1st, NY's 2016 1st. It allows for many options. Keep stockpiling picks, move up in the 2014 draft for BPA, take a pick and an expiring for the player to be moved, whatever MU sees fit. Better than stockpiling average talent to long-term contracts just to appease us that something is being done.
you are not moving up in the 2014 draft ... it's difficult enough in any draft year to move up in the top 6-8, next year it will take an all star in his prime to get something in the 4-6 range.
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