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Put them in the starting line again ?? 9 13.04%
Bring them in off the bench ??? 13 18.84%
Trade Lowry ?? 3 4.35%
Trade Bargs ???? 44 63.77%
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:12 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Trane i know you have the power...but seriously Calderon never lost his starting spot to Lowry. Calderon had a very good season last year hes steady had to play along side whoever and whatever BC brought in. We have a few additions and alittle more experience....Calderon is bringing it.....we have to ride Calderon right now....maybe deal Bargs but right now its Calderon.....always has been since hes been here....Lowry has not done anything in the NBA that warrants a first round pick.
What we saw today the way Calderon ran our team i am sorry to say Lowry just cant and we never be able to do that .
did you meet Calderon or something? why do you love him so much? even when he sucks, lol.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:12 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Lowry can gtfo... his ballhogging is cancerous. Bargnani is being used differently and his response to that has been poor. His value though is too low to deal right now, he's a bench big until he buys in or eventually gets dealt. Lowry just has to go. Jose has won. Again. The leadership he showed today was electric and infectious. He turned the Jose-Ed combo into Jose-Amir with HGH. Jose is boss.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:18 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Jose has done a nice job of setting the stage for Kyle's return. There's a good sense of what can be done and some role definition. There's no need for Lowry to do too much, especially if he's still nursing an injury.

BC needs to figure out how to go forward one way or another. Please - no more pg controversies. Let's just make this team stronger for the future and not get caught up in individual play.
What makes you think that Lowry has the intelligence to run the team like Calderon does as a starter? Yes, Lowry is better than Jack or Bayless, he is also stronger than TJ Ford, but is he making his teammates better? Is he capable of running the offence, especially considering how inept our coaching staff is at that end of the floor?

Calderon, once again, is showing to everyone the value of a true point guard. We will see how long this renaissance continues, but all of a sudden even defence is doing much better with him on the floor and he is getting blocks and steals and rebounds, not to mention double figures in assists and another triple-double.
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did you meet Calderon or something? why do you love him so much? even when he sucks, lol.
I love Calderons game....its team team team.........with him......its not a play ground game where its a me me me game like with some in the NBA.

Jose said it all at half time and post game its team team team.....ball moves and teammates trust each other.......its trust in the system.
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I love Calderons game....its team team team.........with him......its not a play ground game where its a me me me game like with some in the NBA.

Jose said it all at half time and post game its team team team.....ball moves and teammates trust each other.......its trust in the system.
In Jose team trusts.
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I'm worried Lowry is going to sulk like he did in Houston and this time it results in a Tonya Harding-Nancy Kerrigan scenario.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:26 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I'm worried Lowry is going to sulk like he did in Houston and this time it results in a Tonya Harding-Nancy Kerrigan scenario.
So, search him for weapons before entering the facilities?

In all seriousness, he should come off the bench when he comes back, at least for a while.
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this is the kind of stupid decision that raps always make. someone (it's been jose before) shows up for a few games and we anoint him as the saviour/leader/starter, despite the fact that the player has never won anything significant in the nba. jose has shown us year after year of proof that he is a solid pg that gets you nowhere. this team needs a change, and two wins against opponents that bring their c-game does not prove to me that he is any different than the pylon that was somewhere between an average starter and a good bench player for years. yet here we are again ready to lock into him (even though he's asked to be traded) instead of thinking about taking this team in a new direction.

bye bye jose. you've been above average but it's time for us to part ways. thanks for playing your way into considerably higher value while lowry was out. once again, a sweet assist when no one was guarding you. cheers.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:30 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I think the writing is on the wall for Bargnani...

I just want a better return that Gasol.. Bargnani would look good in Dantoni's offensive system beside Steve Nash, but we have to look for what's best for our franchise and the return value.

Maybe a trade with Utah for Milsap, or a team like Phoenix.
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this is the kind of stupid decision that raps always make. someone (it's been jose before) shows up for a few games and we anoint him as the saviour/leader/starter, despite the fact that the player has never won anything significant in the nba. jose has shown us year after year of proof that he is a solid pg that gets you nowhere. this team needs a change, and two wins against opponents that bring their c-game does not prove to me that he is any different than the pylon that was somewhere between an average starter and a good bench player for years. yet here we are again ready to lock into him (even though he's asked to be traded) instead of thinking about taking this team in a new direction.

bye bye jose. you've been above average but it's time for us to part ways. thanks for playing your way into considerably higher value while lowry was out. once again, a sweet assist when no one was guarding you. cheers.
Lowry was annointed too.... why can't Jose continue with the growth that he has inspired in many of our young players? We need vet leadership... why not Jose? 3 for 12M... done.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:32 PM   #31 (permalink)
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It's funny to see how fast some people here can turn their back on some players of their team. The opposite being also true.

When I first start to read here, many people were complaining about Calderon and his absence of D. Just a week ago everybody wanted him out of Toronto, 2 great games and he is now the messiah.

Lowry showed some great things in his first 3 games, nobody complained. Now that Calderon is hot and Lowry struggling to come back after an injury, a lot of you want to "trade his ass".

Also about Fields, the guy was playing with an injury, give him a break and allow him to prove himself before giving up on him maybe.
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this is the kind of stupid decision that raps always make. someone (it's been jose before) shows up for a few games and we anoint him as the saviour/leader/starter, despite the fact that the player has never won anything significant in the nba. jose has shown us year after year of proof that he is a solid pg that gets you nowhere. this team needs a change, and two wins against opponents that bring their c-game does not prove to me that he is any different than the pylon that was somewhere between an average starter and a good bench player for years. yet here we are again ready to lock into him (even though he's asked to be traded) instead of thinking about taking this team in a new direction.

bye bye jose. you've been above average but it's time for us to part ways. thanks for playing your way into considerably higher value while lowry was out. once again, a sweet assist when no one was guarding you. cheers.
Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, it's not entirely Jose's fault? That, perhaps, the quality of the talent around him has been such crap over these years that you are blaming the only constant for something quite outside his control?

He has been a starting PG for Spanish national team all these years, and they didn't seem to do too badly with him at the helm. Just some food for thought, you know...
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this is the kind of stupid decision that raps always make. someone (it's been jose before) shows up for a few games and we anoint him as the saviour/leader/starter, despite the fact that the player has never won anything significant in the nba. jose has shown us year after year of proof that he is a solid pg that gets you nowhere. this team needs a change, and two wins against opponents that bring their c-game does not prove to me that he is any different than the pylon that was somewhere between an average starter and a good bench player for years. yet here we are again ready to lock into him (even though he's asked to be traded) instead of thinking about taking this team in a new direction.

bye bye jose. you've been above average but it's time for us to part ways. thanks for playing your way into considerably higher value while lowry was out. once again, a sweet assist when no one was guarding you. cheers.
Trane buddy I need you on my side !!!

Lets say you are Jose Calderon ok......lets have some fun with this then you respond as if were were Jose.

Raptors keeps bringing in a point guard to replace you !!!!

Jose keeps proving that he is better then the new guy !!!!

Jose keeps posting top end numbers as an NBA point guard......but the team never seems to bring in better players in the other positions to compliment his game and team to make it better !!!!

You just got shot in the heart as you were traded only to hear that you are now staying in Toronto....you go to work and once again put the team first and you have another good year without BC really doing shit to make the team better.

In conclusion you get to see BC give the keys yes the keys to the new guy knowing you are coming back and that you played well and one of the best players on the team.


Trane you are Jose Calderon what do you do ?????? I could go on and on !!!

Trane then make yourself Kyle Lowry what would you have done ?????
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:42 PM   #34 (permalink)
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i say we ride these players who are playing well right now
just like its early to anoint this current lineup, lowry and Bargs haven't proven anything on this team either
i say stick with what we're doing for now, its worth the shot
maybe lowry watching this stuff will realize that he needs to play a little more of a team style, i think we can all agree that lowry is the better player when it comes to comparing with jose, but his style is not gelling well with the rest of the players, if he can use his skills and play more of a team game we got a winning type player now
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Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, it's not entirely Jose's fault? That, perhaps, the quality of the talent around him has been such crap over these years that you are blaming the only constant for something quite outside his control?

He has been a starting PG for Spanish national team all these years, and they didn't seem to do too badly with him at the helm. Just some food for thought, you know...
oh sure it's not all his fault. i never said it was. but it's been years of nowhere and time to change direction. that much should be obvious by now. he asked to be traded, he's pushing his later years, we're rebuilding, he's never been a solid defender, he's not going to get any better, and this is the best ball he's ever played and we're still 13 games under .500.

have you ever stopped to consider my entire point instead of just picking your interpretation and trying to stick me with it?

and @ carp - lowry was not anointed. he was a starter, brought in as a starter. that happens all the time.
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Trane buddy I need you on my side !!!

Lets say you are Jose Calderon ok......lets have some fun with this then you respond as if were were Jose.

Raptors keeps bringing in a point guard to replace you !!!!

Jose keeps proving that he is better then the new guy !!!!

Jose keeps posting top end numbers as an NBA point guard......but the team never seems to bring in better players in the other positions to compliment his game and team to make it better !!!!

You just got shot in the heart as you were traded only to hear that you are now staying in Toronto....you go to work and once again put the team first and you have another good year without BC really doing shit to make the team better.

In conclusion you get to see BC give the keys yes the keys to the new guy knowing you are coming back and that you played well and one of the best players on the team.


Trane you are Jose Calderon what do you do ?????? I could go on and on !!!

Trane then make yourself Kyle Lowry what would you have done ?????
half the stuff you just posted is false, but even with that, i'd ask to be traded if i was jose. it would be a perfectly amicable parting of ways, and it needs to happen for this team to change course.

if i was lowry i'd wonder why they haven't traded that other guy yet.
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I like Klo and all but we should package him and Barg together and get us a Rudy Gay ^_^ or is that not enough?
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:47 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Trade Jose
Trade Bargnani
Play like a real team.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:51 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Trade Lowry, we now have twice as many wins with him out of the lineup as we do with him in.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:52 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Ill say this here again as I did in the other thread

Lowry has had only 1 great season and he is seen as a superior future superstar. He was injured practically all season last year, and hated it when Mchale benched him. Keep in mind that weve had Ford, Bayless, Jack, Bayless and Lowry who have all been a score first type of PG and demand the ball in their hands and all hate to be coming off the bench. Calderon on the other hand has handled this as a professional, never once complained when he was booted to the bench, and kept on alternating. He's been in numerous trade talks and he knows it yet he's capable of playing hard unlike the other players. Look at all the PGs we've had since the Calderon Era, and look who is the only one who seems to remain (Calderon). Why because he simply outplays all of them and earns back his starting position. Whereas Lowry for example has been guaranteed a starting job.

This season once again you can see that he has been really inconsistent, he is a huge gambler and its been costly. He's foul prone, injury prone, makes our offense stagnant and everyone just stands and watches. He doesn't trust any of the other players at all which destroys our team chemistry unlike Calderon who is constantly looking to pass and make his teammates better. When lowry gambles he gets beat and in the end our front court struggles in coming for the help, Calderon on the other hand is slower laterally but he plays smart. Lowry loses focus easy and sometimes doesnt play with his head. Though he's aggressive and all he is not what this team needs.

We really need a PG who can faciliate the ball and play defense than focus on looking for their own shots. However without Calderon do you guys really trust Lowry and Lucas as your PGs? I certainly do not, and DD, JV, Ed, Amir all need a facilitator to help them create an offense which they are not capable of. In the end Calderon has been fed up and demanded a trade but after today, he seemed like he still wants to be apart of the team and this system. Our team strives better when Lowry has been injured quite a few times now and we see Calderon playing huge in a starting role. He isnt as effective coming off the bench and this leads to him not as effective which leads to everyone wanting him gone.

Overall with Bargnani and Lowry there is no movement on offense, as those 2 players demand the ball majority of the time. This leaves our players to just watch or try to grab a rebound from shots they missed. With Calderon everyone is constantly moving around and everyone at least touches the ball each possession. In the lowry system its all ISO and he only passes to free himself up. Both have expiring contracts and if something isnt done we may actually lose both PGs at the end of the season.

A Lowry + Bargnani type of deal is more enticing than a Calderon + Bargnani Package imo. We could possibly get more in return for Lowry and Bargnani. Its clear that in this system we need a pg who emphasizes TEAM TEAM TEAM rather than ME ME ME and the rest of the teammates can score off from garbage buckets
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