What can THIS team do?
Old 06-07-2010, 11:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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You may or may not (probably not) know that my 2 favourite NBA team building models are:

Orlando and Phoenix (the BC era)

Now, I think that BC TRIED to build the Phoenix team with Jose being the Nash and Bosh being the Amare, but those players are too different to make it successful, so now I HOPE he tries the Orlando model. But how, you might ask? How can we get a Dwight or a Jameer on this team? Well we can't get them, but we can try to get as close as possible!

Offseason:
Jose Calderon for Mo Williams
Bosh S&T for Andrew Bynum
Draft Xavier Henry
Sign Theo Ratliff

Lineup:

Pg- Mo Williams
Sg- DeMar DeRozan
Sf- Hedo Turkoglu
Pf- Andrea Bargnani
C- Andrew Bynum

Reserves:
Pg- Jarret Jack, Marcus Banks
Sg- Sonny Weems, Marco Belinelli
Sf- Xavier Henry, (Antoine Wright)
Pf- Amir Johnson, Reggie Evans
C- Theo Ratliff, Rasho Nesterovic, Joey Dorsey

Quick explanation:

Mo Williams (Jameer) provides secondary scoring to Andrea Bargnani (Rashard), who feeds off of the play-maker Hedo (Hedo). The defensive, and subsequent offense comes from Bynum (Howard), while Derozan (Lee) provides solid defence while scoring when necessary. The solid bench consists of defensive minded players, who all hustle, and can produce offensively in small portions.

Is Bynum the next Howard? Probably not. Hedo is older than he was. Bargnani isn't...black (I'm joking, calm down). Mo is more of a shooter than Jameer, which could be a positive. But the amount of 3-point shooters on this team, as well as, the potential defensive blockade in Bynum gives hope to the future of Toronto. I think this team could surpass Orlando if Henry becomes what I think he will and Bargnani can up the scoring to 22 ppg.

Just tell me what you think. May happen, may not. That's not the debate.

Questions to be answered:

1. What is the record of this team and where do they place in the standings?

2. If they make the playoffs how far can they go?

3. How many man-games do they lose to injury?

4. WHo leads this team in a) scoring, b) assists, c) rebounds, d) turnovers

5. Any other changes you would make?
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I wouldn't mind this team although I really doub't Hedo will be back which also make getting Mo williams probably not part of this years coming squad, I might be wrong...

Andrea: 20ppg
Bynum: 9rpg
Williams: 5.5apg
Bynum: 2bpg
Weems: 1.5spg
Williams: 2.3tpg

Will not make the playoffs.

30 man-games lost to injury

I would try to get more for Bosh than just Bynum by adding a 3rd team & including Jose in on the deal instead of just trading Jose for Williams straight up! Plus there would halph to be more players coming back from LA as Bynum only makes 13.8mill this year & Bosh will be close or at 20 mill...

The team you proposed will only do well if Bynum is healthy...Thats pretty much it!

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Old 06-08-2010, 12:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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7 - 8 seed if the coach is smart, with that lin eup you can either suck hard or turn some heads
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:08 AM   #4 (permalink)
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1.) This team will probably win 45 ish games.
2.) They will not get past the first round just cuz there is no real "go to guy" which you need in the playoffs and a guy who can put up points even if he is cold which guys like mo williams and Bargnani can't do.
3.) Bynum will probably go down during the season.
4.) Scoring-bargnani assists- hedo or jack rebounds- bynum, turnovers- mo williams
5.) I would add more shooters at the 2/3 position. I hear xavier henry is a good shooter, try trading for a guy like mo evans ,pietrus ,anthony parker etc. Add a reliable centre off the bench that can be a starter if bynum goes down. I would say a guy like Gortat.
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:11 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Bynum with 20+ points for sure imo.
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:14 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Assuming Turkoglu is in a Raptor jersey come November (I'm not getting my hopes up for him leaving) the Mo Williams for Jose swap makes a lot of sense from an offensive point of view. Mo Williams is very effective playing off the ball and you've got a poor man's LeBron James in Turkoglu to run the offense and kinda sorta get the ball to Mo Williams in spots where he can score. I would prefer not to make that trade and get a guy who can actually defend his own position but if the trade were to happen I could see how things might work out.
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:15 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Bynum with 20+ points for sure imo.
And about 50GP...
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:30 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I wonder what this team could do

Jose and Reggie Evans to the Clippers for Baron Davis,

Bosh Sign and Trade to the Bulls for Deng, Gibson the 17th pick and a 2011 first rounder.

Hedo and Beli to Detroit for Ben Gordon

Jarret Jack to the T-Wolves for the #23 Pick in the 2010 Draft.

In the Draft

at #13 Cole Aldrich. NoBrainer if available. Will be a serviceable centre in the NBA

at #17 (Acquired from Bulls) Ekpe Udoh draft boards have him falling and not a bad gamble if he is still there.


at #23 ( Acquired from T Wolves) Kevin Saraphin: Gamble pick that could be stashed overseas for a year or two or keep him around to learn the ropes.
Free Agent Signings:

Brad Miller: Experience, still can play and is a great locker room guy.

Luke Ridnour: Brings some interesting small ball concepts with Gordon, Davis and Luke on the floor at the same ! Can also come in and settle the team down when needed


Rotation:
Baron Davis/Luke Ridnour/Banks
Ben Gordon/Demar Derozan/Weems
Loul Deng/Sonny Weems/ Taj Gibson
Andre Bargnani/Gibson/Epke Udoh
Cole Aldrich/Brad Miller/Dorsey
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:36 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Ben Gordon(44Mil/4yrs remaining) + Baron Davis =
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Old 06-08-2010, 01:07 AM   #10 (permalink)
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You may or may not (probably not) know that my 2 favourite NBA team building models are:

Orlando and Phoenix (the BC era)

Now, I think that BC TRIED to build the Phoenix team with Jose being the Nash and Bosh being the Amare, but those players are too different to make it successful, so now I HOPE he tries the Orlando model. But how, you might ask? How can we get a Dwight or a Jameer on this team? Well we can't get them, but we can try to get as close as possible!

Offseason:
Jose Calderon for Mo Williams
Bosh S&T for Andrew Bynum
Draft Xavier Henry
Sign Theo Ratliff

Lineup:

Pg- Mo Williams
Sg- DeMar DeRozan
Sf- Hedo Turkoglu
Pf- Andrea Bargnani
C- Andrew Bynum

Reserves:
Pg- Jarret Jack, Marcus Banks
Sg- Sonny Weems, Marco Belinelli
Sf- Xavier Henry, (Antoine Wright)
Pf- Amir Johnson, Reggie Evans
C- Theo Ratliff, Rasho Nesterovic, Joey Dorsey

Quick explanation:

Mo Williams (Jameer) provides secondary scoring to Andrea Bargnani (Rashard), who feeds off of the play-maker Hedo (Hedo). The defensive, and subsequent offense comes from Bynum (Howard), while Derozan (Lee) provides solid defence while scoring when necessary. The solid bench consists of defensive minded players, who all hustle, and can produce offensively in small portions.

Is Bynum the next Howard? Probably not. Hedo is older than he was. Bargnani isn't...black (I'm joking, calm down). Mo is more of a shooter than Jameer, which could be a positive. But the amount of 3-point shooters on this team, as well as, the potential defensive blockade in Bynum gives hope to the future of Toronto. I think this team could surpass Orlando if Henry becomes what I think he will and Bargnani can up the scoring to 22 ppg.

Just tell me what you think. May happen, may not. That's not the debate.

Questions to be answered:

1. What is the record of this team and where do they place in the standings?

2. If they make the playoffs how far can they go?

3. How many man-games do they lose to injury?

4. WHo leads this team in a) scoring, b) assists, c) rebounds, d) turnovers

5. Any other changes you would make?
Dude I like this team on paper man...But I am not a big fan of antoine wright and reggie evans. Wright would prolly complain for minutes.
But I would stick with this team if Bynum is healthy and Hedo becomes the man he was in orlando I think he would complement Bynum very well.
Also if this were to happen, also wouldn't mind seeing banks and mo play together a bit too. Banks at pg and mo at sg.

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Old 06-08-2010, 01:34 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Baron Davis? Nahh. He's a little past his prime. Shoot's like 37% from the field man, he's lost a step or 2.
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Just tell me what you think. May happen, may not. That's not the debate.

Questions to be answered:

1. What is the record of this team and where do they place in the standings?

2. If they make the playoffs how far can they go?

3. How many man-games do they lose to injury?

4. WHo leads this team in a) scoring, b) assists, c) rebounds, d) turnovers

5. Any other changes you would make?
Before I answer the questions, I want to preface my replies with an obvious reminder that's already been alluded to by others: Bynum's health is a huge problem. Bynum has missed 132 games during his first 5 years in the NBA. And when he is in the lineup, he doesn't play as much as one would want. This year was the first season that he played 30 mpg. If he could play 70-75 games a year and stay on the court for 35 minutes during those games, then he would be an all-star. But I don't think he can. It's a shame. Acquiring him could be a huge gamble with major benefits, or it could be a huge disaster.

Answers:

1 - If Bynum plays 70+ games (he's only done that once in his career), the team might win 45 games. But it's more likely that he'll miss 25+ games and the team struggles to win 35 games.

2 - That really depends on what else happens this summer. Bynum coming to Toronto would mean Bosh goes to LA, and that helps prevent an eastern opponent from getting him. But does Stoudemire hook up with Wade? Does Lebron hook up with Rose? Does Lebron go to the west? Does Joe Johnson leave Atlanta? If Johnson leaves Atlanta, do the Hawks bring back Childress? Those questions make it impossible to know how strong the east is next year. And I'm not dodging the question; I'm simply trying to tell you that the calibre of the eastern conference playoff teams might be a lot better next year. If the applicable FAs either stay in, or go to, the western conference, then the Raps might be able to get a 5th seed and win one round.

3 - haha I think I already touched on this one. I think Bynum would likely miss 25+ games. Mo Williams would probably miss 10-15 games, and JJ would do a solid job of starting while Mo's out. *cue potential point guard conflict* Hedo would probably miss 5-8 games. Bargs and Derozan would probably miss a handful but remain fairly durable.

4 - on your roster a) - Bargs or Bynum, depending on wether Bynum plays 30+ mpg b) - Williams by a slim margin over Hedo c) - Bynum d) - Williams

5 - Given that Bynum could miss significant time due to injury, I'd try to sign or trade for a healthier back-up than Ratliff.

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