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Old 12-06-2009, 11:13 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I agree with you he has become a beast; looking at the difference from this year and last year its just off the chart; and also i'm waiting aswell until he say he wants out. But anyways i rather send him to Chicago since they like Bosh and it would attract Wade; I would trade Bosh+Jose+PoB for Derrick Rose + Joakim Noah
Why would we trade our core for Chicago's? Didn't you see last nights game, they clearly had no offence and their defense was average. No GM in the league is stupid enough to do that deal other than Rob Babcock.
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Old 12-06-2009, 11:20 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I dont like this trade but if nothing else is available this could be deal of last resort. I believe Bosh will look for a team with championship potential and is not going to stay.
First Manu is getting old. He was or may be still is a great player but I think he will start going down hill soon.
Second who will be our leader and franchise player. Dont we need one in return of one. Are we going to build our team around manu?
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Old 12-06-2009, 11:40 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Why is everybody so quick to judge that Bosh is gonna leave. Theres still plenty of games left to play in the season and the defense has drastically improved as of late. We were playing terrible basketball and we are still 8th in the East. We showed we have more talent and game than Chicago who are at least in contention for 6th, 7th and 8th spot in the East. Are you sure that Bosh wants to give up being a superstar in a whole country for being a 2nd option on the Miami Heat. You gotta stop trying to predict things and let the season play out.
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Old 12-06-2009, 11:45 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Why is everybody so quick to judge that Bosh is gonna leave. Theres still plenty of games left to play in the season and the defense has drastically improved as of late. We were playing terrible basketball and we are still 8th in the East. We showed we have more talent and game than Chicago who are at least in contention for 6th, 7th and 8th spot in the East. Are you sure that Bosh wants to give up being a superstar in a whole country for being a 2nd option on the Miami Heat. You gotta stop trying to predict things and let the season play out.
ur right, if we're 10gms above by the allstar break than we trade for another allstar to play with bosh
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Why is everybody so quick to judge that Bosh is gonna leave. Theres still plenty of games left to play in the season and the defense has drastically improved as of late. We were playing terrible basketball and we are still 8th in the East. We showed we have more talent and game than Chicago who are at least in contention for 6th, 7th and 8th spot in the East. Are you sure that Bosh wants to give up being a superstar in a whole country for being a 2nd option on the Miami Heat. You gotta stop trying to predict things and let the season play out.
We have to be around 5th in the Conference and win a playoff series for him to stay imo. So time will tell. If we can be 5-6th by All-star break and then BC makes a move to bring in even more help at the trade deadline then it could get interesting. This months will go a long way to tell us what he'll do. By New years we should/could have a general idea.
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Old 12-06-2009, 02:29 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Why would we trade our core for Chicago's? Didn't you see last nights game, they clearly had no offence and their defense was average. No GM in the league is stupid enough to do that deal other than Rob Babcock.
Because Derrick Rose is a hell of a player. I'm usually a big skeptic of online trades - people don't think things through, etc. but there are some very interesting ones in this thread.

Derrick Rose + Noah for Bosh + Jose I'd do in a heart beat. Derrick Rose is a bad defender, but he's young, hungry, ultra-quick basketball player. You saw what he did in last year's playoffs. He's a jump shot away from being a perennial all-star.

Now, this trade wouldn't work on paper (salaries don't match), but if they include Brad Miller ($12.5M, expiring), the salaries are closer. It still may not be enough salary, so they may need to include Tim Thomas, and we may need to include someone like Pops or Rasho to make it work. I'd be all for it!

Rose and Noah are young and hungry players.

A starting 5 of Derrick Rose, Demar DeRozan, Hedo, Bargnani, Noah, are you kidding me? That's solid!!

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As for the other deal - Bosh for Manu and Blair. While it's interesting on paper, and Manu is a guy who's "been there" so to speak in terms of the NBA finals, he is 32 years old, and has had injuries recently. You typically don't trade a 25-year old all-star for a 32-year old former all-star!

Now, I would propose going another direction. How about Bosh for Tim Duncan (33 years old)? Timmy's not going to last forever, but you'd think being pared with Hedo, Jose and Bargnani and a good bench might make him hungry to make a push for another ring?

I'd trade 25-year old Bosh for 33-year old Duncan in a heartbeat. He's got 2-4 very good years left, and he's got the Defensive ability to completely change our team's attitude on D (like KG did in Boston).

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Why would we trade our core for Chicago's? Didn't you see last nights game, they clearly had no offence and their defense was average. No GM in the league is stupid enough to do that deal other than Rob Babcock.
Because Derrick Rose is a stud and Noah is a primo rebounder..No way Chicago gives up this package..

..That was just one game..Based on your reasoning, Atlanta wouldn't trade Maurice Evans for Bosh due to the fact Bosh had a shitty game against Atlanta and his team played poor defensively.
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:18 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Rose and Noah just won't fit on this team PERIOD.
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:23 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Rose and Noah just won't fit on this team PERIOD.
Because we have lots of white guys? Honestly, that comment makes no sense and is baseless.

Rose and Noah just want to win, like so many other guys in the L. Rose right now has a lack of legit offensive threats -- imagine if he had Hedo and Bargs on the wings spreading the floor! Not to mention Noah crashing the glass and doing the dirty work. Noah and a more talented/explosive PG are exactly the kind of players we need right now, and I'd give up Bosh for them. Rose can honestly be a 20+ ppg big time scorer, and Noah can probably be a 12/12 guy for 10 seasons.

The good thing with a guy like Noah is that he doesn't need the ball, and will actually speed up our offense because he doesn't stand around like Bosh does.
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:31 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Bosh is 100 times better than Noah offensively and about the same in rebounding. What makes you so sure Rose is gonna average over 20+ ppg and dish out 10+ Assists per game with this team. Hes already the Bulls main option on offense and hasnt even come close to that goal yet. You guys are just brainwashed by the hype.

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Bosh is 100 times better than Noah offensively and about the same in rebounding. What makes you so sure Rose is gonna average over 20+ ppg and dish out 10+ Assists per game with this team. Hes already the Bulls main option on offense and hasnt even come close to that goal yet. You guys are just brainwashed by the hype.
The Bulls are a horrid 3 point shooting team..If he had some legitimate threats from outside playing alongside him, his numbers would be much better. For example, Ben Gordan last year..Rose was an absolute stud playing alongside him, and his numbers in the playoffs support that theory..20ppg 6apg 6rpg..Against a very good defensive team mind you..
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Because we have lots of white guys? Honestly, that comment makes no sense and is baseless.

Rose and Noah just want to win, like so many other guys in the L. Rose right now has a lack of legit offensive threats -- imagine if he had Hedo and Bargs on the wings spreading the floor! Not to mention Noah crashing the glass and doing the dirty work. Noah and a more talented/explosive PG are exactly the kind of players we need right now, and I'd give up Bosh for them. Rose can honestly be a 20+ ppg big time scorer, and Noah can probably be a 12/12 guy for 10 seasons.

The good thing with a guy like Noah is that he doesn't need the ball, and will actually speed up our offense because he doesn't stand around like Bosh does.
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:27 PM   #53 (permalink)
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The only way I do that deal is if they give me Deng, Rose, Noah, Tyrus Thomas, Hinrich and Cash for Bosh +Marcus Banks+ Patrick O'Bryant

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What if we could package Jose with Bosh and get both Parker and Manu?
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:58 PM   #55 (permalink)
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The only way I do that deal is if they give me Deng, Rose, Noah, Tyrus Thomas, Hinrich and Cash for Bosh +Marcus Banks+ Patrick O'Bryant
They don't gut their entire team for just Bosh...
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What if we could package Jose with Bosh and get both Parker and Manu?
I'd rather go for Duncan, but Parker and Manu would be intriguing (if healthy). Still, Duncan was the guy who got them the rings, Parker and Manu were the helpers.
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I'd rather go for Duncan, but Parker and Manu would be intriguing (if healthy). Still, Duncan was the guy who got them the rings, Parker and Manu were the helpers.
This is just getting silly now. The only reason the Spurs would be calling, would be to pair up Bosh with Duncan. They are not going to trade him.
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:07 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Is no one here high on George Hill?..And does no one remember Manu singlehandedly leading his team to victory against us last month?..This is the best package I've seen hands down if you include Blair the rights to Splitter...
Hill is already better than Calderon BTW
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I say Bosh+Jose+POB+Wright for Parker+Manu+Blair+Hill
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Well, you're quoting me, dude, so why don't you actually make a good argument for why my points are wrong.

- Manu is 32, and he will be 33 next year. FACT.

- Manu is making $10.7 million. FACT.

- Manu has missed 38 games last year, and he's already missed 5 of the first 16 this year. FACT.

- All things being equal, injuries in players over 30 cause a quicker decline in their play than injuries to players in their 20s. FACT.

- Singing a 33 year old Manu to an extension equal to $10.7 million a year is a poor decision. Subjective, but most who understand the game would agree. In fact, that's why most people hate the back end of Hedo's deal (I managed to work in the word fact).

- Dejuan Blair was examined and it was revealed that the scar tissue in his knees was absorbed and he has no ACLs. FACT.

Dejuan Blair is a good player, BUT it is likely it will only last for 3-4 years. Again, I can't say fact, because he could do an amazing job of maintaining his upper leg muscle balance, but it's based on the opinions of some of the best doctors in America. That's why he fell in the draft. Get a clue.

You don't trade an All-Star for a package that includes a declining veteran who might not re-sign with you and prospect who might only have 3 years left in the league. It's just dumb.

Now, as I said, if you include Tony Parker, then BC should consider things, in my opinion.

Lots of people love Manu. He is very exciting. I do not want to trade Bosh for Manu and a guy who may be out of the leauge in 3 year. Too...fucking...risky. BC could probably do better.
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Yes, Manu turned 32 in July I guess
Manu has been 3 time champion
Manu's the only guy in the world to win Euroleague, Olympics and NBA (you probably don't know how fucking hard is to win an Euroleague)
Manu has won so many games for the Spurs, with energy and his clutch plays. There 70% of the plays are set by him. Even Duncan's post ups go through his hands. He runs an awful lot of pick'n rolls every game. He runs off screens every game. Who does it here?
Spurs can't go through the 1st round without him
About Blair you just show the worst case scenario
We can't keep Bosh, otherwise he'll leave without compensation
Too risky! Maybe take back 2 youngsters and a guy that could change the franchise...

Believe me, Manu has been through worse situations and he got back in each of them. I already said it and I repeat: He's hunger

And no one will make better offer for Bosh. Who would want him in trades are the same teams that will pursue him as a FA. SA is one of the only teams that would offer anything back because of this year. Bosh isn't going to be traded for a 20 year old kid that scores 20ppg...
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