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Shifty.py 05-11-2011 05:15 AM

Are we set at SF?
 
Unless we trade for a star player, we certainly have enough young guys to fill SF spot.

  • - James Johnson - great teammate, proper size for SF and good skills. Only knock on him is -shaky jumpshot, but that can be fixed
  • - Demar Derozan can certainly play at 3 part time.
  • - Sonny Weems an RFA, up to him if he will accept smaller money to stay (to me he is pure SG, don't know why he played 3 mostly)
  • - Julian Wright - Eric Hughes sees a lot of potential still. RFA should be kept IMO.
  • - Linas Kleiza - injured for a year, but when healthy a proper starter (not next to Bargnani tho)

In the draft theres not much to choose. Derrick Williams and Jan Vesely in top10. Both are great young players but not much better than what we already have.

OP13 05-11-2011 05:27 AM

You should see what Kleiza can do healthy and then decide, but if there is a chance to pick Williams - go for it and trade Linas away keeping JJ as a backup. Anyway IMO Toronto should pick PG, because i see more potencial in James Johnsos as a future starting SF than in Jerryd Bayless as PG.

finstock 05-11-2011 05:42 AM

Far from it. Like really, really far. JJ projects to be a quality second unit guy imo. Wright is redundant as a poor man's JJ. Weems is undersized at the 3, and aloof at any position. We're stuck with Kleiza, who may never be the same. Hell, even if he fully recovers he's barely one dimensional. In other words, contrary to this thread, I think improving the 3 spot needs to be a point of emphasis this offseason.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 05-11-2011 12:33 PM

Kleiza is out for a year and maybe longer, and may never be the same
Wright is long gone after that bench stunt.
DD is a 2 (or then we need a 2 which is the same problem).
Weems isn't that good.

So are we set with James Johnson... no.

jeffb 05-11-2011 12:36 PM

We're far from set at SF. The only position we're set at is PF and maybe SG with the exception of barbosa who might be gone in 6-8 months.

fk24 05-11-2011 01:13 PM

Kawhi Leonard with a jumpshot is a top 5 pick.

b55bgc 05-11-2011 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 537788)
We're far from set at SF. The only position we're set at is PF and maybe SG with the exception of barbosa who might be gone in 6-8 months.

You mean we are not set at Centre with DOrsey, Ajinca and Bargnani.

RAPMAN 05-11-2011 01:29 PM

I think the SF position is the least of our worries right now. We don't have a player that will occupy the position for years, but we have players that can fill the void right now. Insert Kleiza for a perimeter threat or more scoring, and use James Johnson for more defense. Interior defense and rebounding is the most urgent need right now.

jeffb 05-11-2011 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by b55bgc (Post 537800)
You mean we are not set at Centre with DOrsey, Ajinca and Bargnani.

Just like we're not set at SF with Weems and a player that has 50 games under his belt. I really wish Barnes had declared for the draft.

Admiral 05-11-2011 07:11 PM

we're not set, there's a bunch of guys that can play there but demar will be mainly a 2 and the rest are not up to par, JJ is serviceable but on a championship team his is only the 1st 3 off the bench, we need an upgrade at the positions
weems should not be on the team at all so he shouldn't be on the list
kleiza counts but we have to wait and see what we have in him when he's healthy
julian wright is a deep bench player

Scully 05-11-2011 07:39 PM

As much as i think the Raps shouldn't be satisfied with what they have at the 3. It's not priority. I am really hoping we don't pick Weems up. He is kind of better suited for the 2 spot. I am totally OK with Klieza and JJ splitting time, with Derozan chipping in 5-10 a game. But if BC or who ever decides to chase a SF, I would rather it be done threw FA then the Draft. Lots of big names coming up for auction at the 3 spot. AK-47 would be a great pick up for a year or two.

EggsToTheBBQ 05-11-2011 08:22 PM

It's tough to fill spots with FAs when we're not sure which of our young players will become solid starters.

I think that big free agency acquisitions are a few years away still. We need to get an idea of what guys like Bayless, JJ really bring to the table. We need to see DD and Ed Davis mature a little more, and we need to see if Ed Davis can add some bulk and avoid becoming injury prone. Also, this year's draft pick will need to be brought along too.

I think that the Chicago model makes a lot of sense - bring along your young talent, and when they start winning games and being a solid playoff team, add some FAs to turn the team into a championship contender.

I hope the organization has the patience to pull that off.

Shifty.py 05-12-2011 04:07 AM

Thats what I was trying to say. Derrick Williams is not that much better (and tbh I'm not sure why he is a lock to go 2nd? Where would he be drafted if Barnes/Jones/Sullinger etc did enter the draft?)

FA is same story. You could get Jeff Green or Wilson Chandler (altho we only have MLE to throw at them, really), but is it a major upgrade over what we have?

rapsmannn 05-12-2011 05:53 AM

we need to get a 3 point shooter, not guys who can shoot 3's but guys who are born to do it, just opens everything up,

each team should have 2 guys like this, at the 2 and 3 position

so we need a starter at th 3 who can do this with consistency and a guy off the bench

we didn't win a game all season because of our 3 point shooting, most teams win 5 or more games just because these shooters get hot and put games away at the breaking point of a game which of what we don't have

Shifty.py 05-12-2011 06:16 AM

Why 2 and 3 spots? We have shooters at 1 and 5

Besides, Kapono is available, think it would be a good choise? The guy was "born to do it"

jeffb 05-12-2011 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shifty.py (Post 538086)
FA is same story. You could get Jeff Green or Wilson Chandler (altho we only have MLE to throw at them, really), but is it a major upgrade over what we have?

Yes.....yes it is.

fk24 05-12-2011 10:15 AM

I'm not sold on James Johnson being the starting Small Forward.

jeffb 05-12-2011 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fk24 (Post 538118)
I'm not sold on James Johnson being the starting Small Forward.

Anyone that's sold at this point needs to remember the last couple SF that were looking good after a couple months of play. James Johnson shows promise and i like what i've seen so far but he's essentially a rookie with less then a full season of games under his belt.

Claudius 05-12-2011 10:53 AM

Chandler is an interesting option at the 3, but I'm not really sold on him.

Jeff Green, to me, is an immediate pass at this point. He's just another guy right now who's not really sure what he is (3 or 4?).

I think this year, you give Johnson a look at the 3, see if he comes into camp in shape, with a better jumper and play him. If he doesn't pan out, you hopefully suck enough to get a high pick and draft a SF (yeah, same gamble).

OR you hope that DeRozan elevates his game so much at the 2 that you don't need an offensive weapon at the 3 (and hopefully Davis at the 4 improves his offensive game as well) that you get more of a veteran presence at that point (e.g. Matt Barnes when he was with Orlando etc.).

Tommy C 05-12-2011 11:23 AM

If we were to draft a PG, and JJ doesn't bring it at the SF, I will try to play our rookie PG, Bayless as SG, DD as SF Amir or Davis at the PF and Bargs as the C.
Honestly, it's impossible to tell what kind of player JJ will become.


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