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Old 04-11-2011, 02:55 AM   #21 (permalink)
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i doubt BC will trade bargs.
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Old 04-11-2011, 06:32 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I think I will seroiusly cry at the first game of next season if Bargnani is still in our roster.
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Old 04-11-2011, 06:47 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Valanciunas might not even come to draft this year yet . Though his stats is great (in 40mpg) and he is shooting 70 percent and is good at pick n roll, very minded defensive player. But Maybe he is not ready yet , and he still has contract witj Lietuvos Rytas
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:16 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Valanciunas will be a good C.. in 3-4 years

What about keeping Ajinca at C until then? He's 7'2 big with freaky wingspan. Already guards think twice before going into him.
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:21 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Earlier in the season Jonas said he pass, but now, I am pretty sure he is entering the draft. Weak draft, he cant missed this cahnce, and I always saying this. He can land up as top 5 this year. But I guarantee he staying in Europe (like Rubio) after the draft, for at least one year.
I like Jonas, his offensive awareness is great, Amazing pick and roll player (one of the best I know...), great touch under the rim. He hustles and looks he should be a great defensive C, but hes not there yet. Weak, his def. awareness is questionable and he is foul prone. Maybe just because lack of experience and strength, he is only 18... He is a project, he is not a NBA starter or smth. yet...
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:09 AM   #26 (permalink)
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It's very expensive to grab a good C in free agency or in a trade. Getting a quality C with a clean bill of health can only be done through the draft unless the franchise is especially attractive to free agents (Toronto isn't). I suppose Colangelo could hit the jackpot with a lucky trade for a guy that suddenly turns into a stud, but it isn't likely and we shouldn't be relying on that case.

Kanter is probably closer to being NBA ready, but Valanciunas might have more upside.

Valanciunas might stay a year in Europe, but if there's a lockout that could actually turn into a plus.

I really like Valanciunas' game. He doesn't have much of an isolation game - he doesn't post up or face up especially well. He's a good shooter from 12 feet, though, so he can't be ignored. Also, he's got really good hands around the rim and he hustles like crazy. He's an excellent FT shooter, too.

I think of him as an Amir with better size and length, and a much higher ceiling - nice pick and roll guy that can get a lot of garbage points and defends well when not in foul trouble. He's a bit of a project, but if he keeps improving at the rate he has been he could be a 2-3 year project rather than 3-4.

His role on the team if drafted would be as the 4th big, which could be a perfect role for a rookie big. It's the same role Ed Davis started with this year, and Ed got enough burn to develop nicely.

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Old 04-11-2011, 10:12 AM   #27 (permalink)
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BC is aware of this (hence why we nearly landed Chandler)

acquiring a 7 foot big man that plays both ways is A LOT easier said than done, especially being in Toronto.

hopefully he can land a center via free agency (Gasol, Jordan, Dalembert, Chandler) or via trade (McGee, etc) but it wont be an easy task IMO
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:21 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I think I will seroiusly cry at the first game of next season if Bargnani is still in our roster.
make sure you have tissue available... cause he'll be here.
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:37 AM   #29 (permalink)
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What about DeAndre Jordan, if we are serious about taking the next step, you got to be willing to spend, aren't we able to make an offer for him, I thought he was to be a RFA, the Raps should make an offer the Clips can't match! Also if we score the 1st or 2nd pick, select that Williams kid, he plays ferocious! This could be a potential starting lineup:
C - Jordan
PF- Davis
SF- Williams
SG- DeRozan
PG- Bayless
That's a great young team!

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we should stay away from drafting players whose name people can't pronounce or spell
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Old 04-11-2011, 12:06 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Exactly, I keep pronouncing Andrea as a little girls name
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Old 04-11-2011, 12:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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we should stay away from drafting players whose name people can't pronounce or spell
or we can pass 5th grade and figure shit out.
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Old 04-11-2011, 12:30 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Yo - Nass

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Jonas Valanciunas

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Old 04-11-2011, 12:44 PM   #34 (permalink)
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After drafting a 7ft Euro as a No. 1 pick, where is this franchise 5 years later. Also, what ever happened to that young international center we drafted at No. 8 a few years back. I agree drafting center is a crap shoot. Its better to minimize the risk by acquiring established centers in the NBA.
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Old 04-11-2011, 01:02 PM   #35 (permalink)
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After drafting a 7ft Euro as a No. 1 pick, where is this franchise 5 years later. Also, what ever happened to that young international center we drafted at No. 8 a few years back. I agree drafting center is a crap shoot. Its better to minimize the risk by acquiring established centers in the NBA.
I'll address the Euro comment with this list:

Vlade Divac
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol
Arvydas Sabonis
Dirk Nowitzki

Internationals?

Hakeem Olajuwon
Dikembe Mutombo
Yao Ming
Tim Duncan

When it comes to 7 footers it pays not to be too selective about the color of their skin or national origin. I'd rather not miss the boat on a quality C because of assumptions and inaccurate generalizations.

Araujo was a terrible pick. It was a huge gamble and it's no surprise that it didn't work out.

As for Valanciunas...

Valanciunas has been performing exceptionally well against professional competition. Against his own age group he has been completely dominant.

He has shown rapid improvement over the last couple of years, and has shown the desire, and work ethic, required to reach the next level.

He is a seven footer that is well coordinated and moves quickly and fluidly on the court.

He initiates contact and fights for every point and rebound he gets.

He's the anti-Bargnani.

Also, if you think there are a number of options out there via trade or free agency to acquire a solid injury free C you are mistaken. Most of the guys on the lists floating around these forums are restricted free agents.

DeAndre Jordan will not be leaving LA unless some team overpays.

Marc Gasol will not be leaving Memphis unless some team overpays.

Those are options that are worth investigating, but are probably unrealistic.

C is the hardest position to fill, and it's usually done through the draft.

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Old 04-11-2011, 01:32 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Hey EggstotheBBQ

Yeah I also think and posted that the Raps can address their center issue by overpaying for a C which might be our best solution for that position to go with our current group of guys and drafting a C would just take to long to develop i.e ( Bargs). Watched alot of games this year and when it comes down to the age factor and the ability to play D, I think DeAndre Jordan should be the guy BC throw money at in my opinion!
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Old 04-11-2011, 01:47 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I'll address the Euro comment with this list:

Vlade Divac
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol
Arvydas Sabonis
Dirk Nowitzki

Internationals?

Hakeem Olajuwon
Dikembe Mutombo
Yao Ming
Tim Duncan

When it comes to 7 footers it pays not to be too selective about the color of their skin or national origin. I'd rather not miss the boat on a quality C because of assumptions and inaccurate generalizations.

Araujo was a terrible pick. It was a huge gamble and it's no surprise that it didn't work out.

As for Valanciunas...

Valanciunas has been performing exceptionally well against professional competition. Against his own age group he has been completely dominant.

He has shown rapid improvement over the last couple of years, and has shown the desire, and work ethic, required to reach the next level.

He is a seven footer that is well coordinated and moves quickly and fluidly on the court.

He initiates contact and fights for every point and rebound he gets.

He's the anti-Bargnani.

Also, if you think there are a number of options out there via trade or free agency to acquire a solid injury free C you are mistaken. Most of the guys on the lists floating around these forums are restricted free agents.
Its nice you are grabbing some names of centers who were drafted in 80's. Have to dig really deep to get some good names. If you do say he is the "ANTi-BARGNANI", that's a good thing. However, the next pick is going to be a very important piece for the Rap's future. You don't go back to a formula (Bargnani #1, Hoffa #8, Radojević #12) where the franchise has taken a step back rather than take step forward. The significance of the pick and the rank (top 6 or higher), Raptor cannot afford to gamble its future. I wouldn't mind get a solid Euro player at a later pick, but not a top 6 pick. Also, from the above players you have mentioned, Divac was drafted 26th by the Lakers in 1989, Marc Gasol was drafted 48th by the Lakers, Sabonis was was drafted 77th by Hawks in 1985. Very good players with very good careers proving their worth and value from the low-risk gamble their teams had made.

Hakeem, Duncan, Mutumbo proved their draft risk and worthiness by playing in US colleges for several years.

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Old 04-11-2011, 01:56 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Name a single prospect that isn't a gamble.

Also, most of those guys I listed aren't "very good players", they're hall of famers. Most of the best Cs of the past 20 years weren't born in the USA.

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Hey EggstotheBBQ

Yeah I also think and posted that the Raps can address their center issue by overpaying for a C which might be our best solution for that position to go with our current group of guys and drafting a C would just take to long to develop i.e ( Bargs). Watched alot of games this year and when it comes down to the age factor and the ability to play D, I think DeAndre Jordan should be the guy BC throw money at in my opinion!
Throw all the money you want at D. Jordan... he's not being let go. If you want a Clipper C, it's Kaman that will be made available. Time to realize the obvious.
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:11 PM   #40 (permalink)
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