Are We Interested? Pacers Dangling #11 Pick & O'Neal?
Old 06-05-2008, 09:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I know Hoops brought this up yesterday, but Bird seems to really want to find a new home for big contracts like Jermaine's possibly by dangling that #11 as an incentive. They don't seem to be asking for much. Just expiring contract.

Should we really be interested or pass?

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The Indiana Pacers are trying to dangle the #11 pick in hopes of being able to package it with one of their ugly contracts (preferably Jermaine OíNeal). There is talk out of OíNealís camp that he anticipates being trade to Cleveland at some point this summer, possibly in a deal involving expiring contracts such as Wally Szczerbiak and Eric Snow.

The Pacers donít want to give OíNeal away for nothing, but the temptation of shedding his 23 million dollar contract from their cap figure (giving them substantial cap space to work with in July of 2009) may be too great to pass up. On Clevelandís end, it makes sense for their ownership to spend the money it will take to try and appease LeBron James and show them they are making the efforts to put together a championship caliber team. Weíve heard rumblings about this Cleveland/Indiana trade from a number of well-informed sources, so there appears to be at least some truth to it.
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I dont know why you guys are even considering O'neal.
the guy is broken. he wont put together 65+ games next season, and he'll be on and off the IR every other week.
why do you think Indiana wants to rid themselves of him so badly.
he's just getting interest because of his name, his game isnt even close to what it used to be.
and the fact that he makes 23 million next season, that should be enough reason to say HELL NO to trying to aquire that overpaid oft-injured bum.
indiana is trying so hard to move him and are even dangling the 11th pick as incentive, that there should show how awful that guy's body is and how he isnt worth close to that much mula.
in another thread a few of you guys were interested in aquiring o'neal, talking about how o'neal and Bosh would be awesome... yet you diss the thought of getting Maggette.
this is hilarious to me...
player a) 22 ppg 6 rebs
player b) 13.5 ppg 6.5 rebs

hmmmmm..... guess who's who?
other than the 1.5 more blocks per game JO gets, theres no way he is worth 23 million.
i'd cry if we made a trade for that bum!
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:21 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I wounldn't touch Oneal at all for all the obvious reasons that insider pointed out.

and using their 11th pick to try to intice a taker??

oooooooohhhhh.... 11th overall. big deal.

pass.
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:28 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The #11 pick and JO for Ford, Rasho, Garbo and a future first (although we might have to give up Bargs instead of the first which I am prepared to do)

Why do I do this? Some teams are scared off by O'Neal's recent Mash report, but I'm not. When the guy is healthy, he's one of the best big-men in the game. He would also solve 2 things: toughness and rebounding. Think about this: When Carter was traded to the Nets, all of a sudden, he had some sort of a rejuvination and managed to play in over 76 games in his tenure in New Jersey. Some people need a change of scenery.
In addition, he becomes a free agent in time for the the summer of 2010 - when the big name FAs are scheduled to come out.
In addition, we'd be getting a 1st round selection who we could use on either one of the following: Gallinari, Joe Alexander, Russell Westbrook or Eric Gordon (secretly hoping for Gordon)..
The second of our firsts could be used on Robin Lopez, Bill Walker, Nic Batum or Dontae Green.

So would I be interested? Damn straight I would.
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O'neal.... all he has is his name.
he is a shell of his former self.

lets look at some of his short commings to just prove that this would be a deadly mistake for the raps to look into:

a) 44, 51, 69, 42
the above numbers indicate the number of games played in each of his last 4 seasons.
that equals 122 games missed over that time span.

b) 43%
the number above indicates his FG% over the last 2 seasons in the league. A PF/C
shooting 43% from the field??? thats terrible for that position.

c) 8.5
the number above indicates his rebounding average over his last 4 years. um, ok...
should i be impressed? is this guy really going to be the rebounding machine we're
hoping for?

d) 23 million
no comment neccessary

e) 13.5 ppg / 6.5 rebs per game
his stats last season.................................... yikes.
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nice detective work Insider.
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:56 AM   #7 (permalink)
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No, please, please no. No way.

The dangling of the pick to entice potential takers is a dead giveaway.
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:59 AM   #8 (permalink)
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nice detective work Insider.
i had to do it Fancy...
Hoops is usually bang on for trade ideas, but not this time... he's a crazy mofo for even considering this!

hoops, you so crazy!
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Old 06-05-2008, 11:12 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I know last year's stats aren't good at all, but if he can stay healthy, I think O'Neal is/can be a difference maker. If he goes to Cleveland (for Sczerbiak and Snow), I'll go on the record now saying that him and Lebron are going to rip it up.

The way things are looking right now, I don't think we make the playoffs next year, and if we do, we'll get that #8 seed and get squashed first round. We don't have to horses like Orlando, like Detroit, like Boston, like Cleveland, like Washington (if they retain Jamison and Arenas) and now, like Atlanta and Philadelphia. Something needs to happen..and it sucks that we're waiting on Bargs. He's the wildcard in all of this.. as he goes, so does our hopes.
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But all that is no reason to get an overpaid, often injured player with bad attitude.

Yes, I'd agree with your assessment of the EC, except for Phily - I don't think they have quite he "horses" those other teams do. But BC still has some assests (Ford, expiring contracts, pick(s)) to work with and I'd rather see him do something else to improve the club.
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I agree hoops, we are nowhere close to the top tier of teams in the east, and we're dropping in the depth chart every week.
i also agree that a healthy O'neal would be fantastic, but his track record (at least his last 4 seasons) show that he isnt the strongest horse in the shed and that his body is done.

its too much of a risk for us to take IMO.
cleveland can take the risk because they're already a contender... they lose a couple of scrubs that they can do without and they play most of the year limiting O'neals minutes and saving him for the stretch run or come playoff time. And it works out for him and them.
us on the other hand, we cant afford that luxery... we'll have him grinding from day one... its only a matter of time before he injures himself and we end up wasting 23 million on a guy in a suit.
the last thing this franchise needs is an overpaid bum on the IR.
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In the end, if O'Neal doesn't pan out, he's a $22 mil expiring after next year..and we'd be getting a #11 selection here - in which we could select a swingman/2 guard. So right there, we could be addressing 3 things, toughness, rebounding, swingman.

And what would we lose in all of this? Ford? Everyone believes he's a goner anyways. Rasho? He's a goner too because of his expiring contract.
Garbo? Same as Rasho.

So we have really nothing to lose, but everything to gain. So why not take a chance?
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If you deal for Maggette (for presumably Ford), that dude is a FA after next year, and you get NOTHING after that - and there's no guarantee he resigns, and chances are he doesn't.

At least the Pacers toss you a cookie with a lottery selection with O'Neal..and we might be able to keep our own selection this season.
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Let's do it. JO comes off after the upcoming season-which is good. We also get another big name/big rebounder/big scorer-?
Maybe it's just that in Indiana, he didn't get help. HE had scrubs like Tinsley and Dunleavy. The only person who was worth anything on the Pacers was Granger(Which I hope we can get too if we deal JO here).
Don't worry, he can be a second guy on this team, and we can use the 11th pick on something decent.
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Let's do it. JO comes off after the upcoming season-which is good. We also get another big name/big rebounder/big scorer-?
Maybe it's just that in Indiana, he didn't get help. HE had scrubs like Tinsley and Dunleavy. The only person who was worth anything on the Pacers was Granger

why the hate on this board for Dunleavy?
i would LOVE that guy on this team.
the kid is good, really good, and he's getting better...

its funny how you describe O'neal: "big name/big rebounder/big scorer"

the only thing big about O'neal (other than his salary) is his name.
and thats his selling point right now, and its what Indy is hoping will intice uneducated GM's.
big scorer....? if you call 13 points a game (last years stats) big.
big rebounder...? he avg'd 8.5 over his last 4 years. is that big? its better than average, but for a elite PF/C, its mediocre at best.

the guy will be a bust here in TO.
he'll play 50 games, get paid 50 million (over the next 2 years) and will leave us worse off.... we'll be in the east's basement for 2 seasons.

but hey according to some of you guy's arguements, we'll have a ton of money come 2010.... but that wont mean jack!
because if getting guys to come over to Canada isnt hard enough, maybe being dead last in the east will bring over the big names!!!!



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The Raptors better stay away from this.He's way over priced and way way way too injury prone to touch with a ten foot pole, and he tends to disappear in the 4th Quarter.BC is smarter than that, let Cleveland take him. Financially this would set us back again.

Not only that moving from #17 to #11 doesn't do much to help us.If BC moves up in the draft he'll want to be in the top 6-7 IMO.
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[quote=Kobe24MVP;34293]Let's do it. JO comes off after the upcoming season-which is good. We also get another big name/big rebounder/big scorer-?
Maybe it's just that in Indiana, he didn't get help. HE had scrubs like Tinsley and Dunleavy. The only person who was worth anything on the Pacers was Granger(Which I hope we can get too if we deal JO here).


The only player on the Pacers i would want is Granger.
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why the hate on this board for Dunleavy?
i would LOVE that guy on this team.
the kid is good, really good, and he's getting better...

its funny how you describe O'neal: "big name/big rebounder/big scorer"

the only thing big about O'neal (other than his salary) is his name.
and thats his selling point right now, and its what Indy is hoping will intice uneducated GM's.
big scorer....? if you call 13 points a game (last years stats) big.
big rebounder...? he avg'd 8.5 over his last 4 years. is that big? its better than average, but for a elite PF/C, its mediocre at best.

the guy will be a bust here in TO.
he'll play 50 games, get paid 50 million (over the next 2 years) and will leave us worse off.... we'll be in the east's basement for 2 seasons.

but hey according to some of you guy's arguements, we'll have a ton of money come 2010.... but that wont mean jack!
because if getting guys to come over to Canada isnt hard enough, maybe being dead last in the east will bring over the big names!!!!



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You'd love Dunleavy on this team, Insider? Come on bro, you know that ain't right!

Dude makes over $10 mil a season. His athleticism is below-average and only came into his own this year..and considering he was probably the lone bright spot on the Indy team this past season, they'd want to retain him, meaning, it would probably take a lot to pry him away. If he weren't making that much coin, I'd say go for it. I will give it a rest on the O'Neal front, though.
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Dunleavy is very very average. I'd rather have AP than Dunleavy epsecially with the contracts, at least AP plays some defence. Dunleavy cant handle pressure, whatst he point in getting him if we're trying to win in the playoffs?
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I'd rather have the #11 than JO.

His time is obviously almost over and if anything, he'll be getting worse over the years. He'll be 30 next year, like...

04-05 - 24.3
05-06 - 20.1
06-07 - 19.4
07-08 - 13.6

Speaks for itself

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