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Trade up- top 5 10 16.67%
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Old 05-31-2012, 09:30 PM   #121 (permalink)
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If we can pry Lowry away from Houston, and still keep our pick. This lineup would be pretty fun to watch, and could generate some wins over the next few years.

Lowry
Derozan
PJ3
Barney Rumble (mago)
Valanciunas
The thing about Lowry is that he doesn't make that much so we'd certainly still be looking to make a move for a starting SF. Besides, if we keep the pick it would likely take Derozan or Bargs to land Lowry.
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:10 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Lowry
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Batum
Bargs
Jonas

That seems to be much better team to me
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:16 PM   #123 (permalink)
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Without trading scrubs for starters neither of those line ups seems realistic.

JC
DD
MKG/PJ3/Barnes
AB
JV

Bench:
JB, ED, Amir, JJ, LK, Magloire, Forbes, Alabi

Though, I suppose BC could surprise me with a signing/trade.

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[quote=EggsToTheBBQ;649061]Without trading scrubs for starters neither of those line ups seems realistic.

DD+ED for Lowry
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JC
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MKG/PJ3/Barnes
AB
JV

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JB, ED, Amir, JJ, LK, Magloire, Forbes, Alabi

Though, I suppose BC could surprise me with a signing/trade.
this would be terrible and BC should be fired.. If the only thing he does this year is draft someone i will be very pissed
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:25 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:31 PM   #127 (permalink)
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this would be terrible and BC should be fired.. If the only thing he does this year is draft someone i will be very pissed
1) Draft a SF.

2) Re-sign JB (or another combo guard).

3) Re-sign Magloire (or another tough veteran center).

It looks like a real team to me.

A rebuilding process takes a while, and I don't think now's the time to start thinking short term when we're far from sure that our core pieces are going to pan out.

We need to see what we have in JV, this years pick, and Ed Davis before we know where to go from here.

Despite BC's contract situation, this is not the time to spend in FA to address the team's weaknesses. (Unless Deron wants to sign here, then sure, go ahead and get him).
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1) Draft a SF.

2) Re-sign JB (or another combo guard).

3) Re-sign Magloire (or another tough veteran center).

It looks like a real team to me.

A rebuilding process takes a while, and I don't think now's the time to start thinking short term when we're far from sure that our core pieces are going to pan out.

We need to see what we have in JV, this years pick, and Ed Davis before we know where to go from here.

Despite BC's contract situation, this is not the time to spend in FA to address the team's weaknesses. (Unless Deron wants to sign here, then sure, go ahead and get him).
I guess you really like tanking..
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1) Draft a SF.

2) Re-sign JB (or another combo guard).

3) Re-sign Magloire (or another tough veteran center).

It looks like a real team to me.

A rebuilding process takes a while, and I don't think now's the time to start thinking short term when we're far from sure that our core pieces are going to pan out.

We need to see what we have in JV, this years pick, and Ed Davis before we know where to go from here.

Despite BC's contract situation, this is not the time to spend in FA to address the team's weaknesses. (Unless Deron wants to sign here, then sure, go ahead and get him).
Well buckle up, because it's gonna be spent.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:39 AM   #130 (permalink)
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1) Draft a SF.

2) Re-sign JB (or another combo guard).

3) Re-sign Magloire (or another tough veteran center).

It looks like a real team to me.

A rebuilding process takes a while, and I don't think now's the time to start thinking short term when we're far from sure that our core pieces are going to pan out.

We need to see what we have in JV, this years pick, and Ed Davis before we know where to go from here.

Despite BC's contract situation, this is not the time to spend in FA to address the team's weaknesses. (Unless Deron wants to sign here, then sure, go ahead and get him).
This is the most accurate and realistic approach that I've seen in a post since the season ended.

Even if Toronto brings in Iggy,Dragic,Lowry,Gay or whomever its very unlikely they'll make it to the Eastern Semi's and beyond next season(unless Bargnani improves even more to Nowitzki level of play). I'd be happy if they record a 500 or better record. The East is weak Miami,Indiana and Chicago are a lock for top 3.

BC is in a contract year(with team option) so I suspect he'll make some dramatic,hopefully smart but desperate moves. We just got to wait and see.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:42 AM   #131 (permalink)
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This is the most accurate and realistic approach that I've seen in a post since the season ended.


actually, thinking that BC shouldn't do anything is about as unrealistic as it gets.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:56 AM   #132 (permalink)
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actually, thinking that BC shouldn't do anything is about as unrealistic as it gets.
The Raps competed very hard this season and Casey installed a new & improved system. If Bargnani was healthier they may have won 10 more games. Assuming JV is all that he's cracked up to be,along with the edition of the #8 pick and improved core young players(DD,ED & JB mainly),Toronto may win close to 40 games without making any major moves which is a positive sign. I just think if too much is done,it may backfire. I like the idea of pursing Eric Gordon(especially if he plays PG), but now that Anthony Davis is headed NO's way,he may re-sign after testing the market. Who knows! BC isn't gun shy so I doubt he'll take a passive approach.
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The Raps competed very hard this season and Casey installed a new & improved system. If Bargnani was healthier they may have won 10 more games. Assuming JV is all that he's cracked up to be,along with the edition of the #8 pick and improved core young players(DD,ED & JB mainly),Toronto may win close to 40 games without making any major moves which is a positive sign. I just think if too much is done,it may backfire. I like the idea of pursing Eric Gordon(especially if he plays PG), but now that Anthony Davis is headed NO's way,he may re-sign after testing the market. Who knows! BC isn't gun shy so I doubt he'll take a passive approach.
I think he's looking to make two significant moves, one trade + one signing (beyond adding depth). They've said they want to add so called "young vets" and to also add more grit. Anyone nor for that is crazy. I guess it just depends on which players are brought in, because i'd render a guess that 4-5 new players will be brought in.

And unless DD and/or Jose is dealt we're probably only getting one significant upgrade to the starting 5 (SF). He's not trying to re-invent the wheel here.

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I think he's looking to make two significant moves, one trade + one signing (beyond adding depth). They've said they want to add so called "young vets" and to also add more grit. Anyone nor for that is crazy. I guess it just depends on which players are brought in, because i'd render a guess that 4-5 new players will be brought in.

And unless DD and/or Jose is dealt we're probably only getting one significant upgrade to the starting 5 (SF). He's not trying to re-invent the wheel here.
Yea,grading BC's tenure with the Raps..he's been a B+ when making trades, a D- when signing FA's and a C when drafting.

The stars are aligning for a deal with the Rockets,who I think is their best trade partner. Ideally if BC can pull the trigger on a JC/JJ/#8 for Lowry/#16 Toronto will be in great shape. With the 16th pick I'd then want the Raps to take the best SF or SG availble,preferrably Terrence Jones (UK).

KL,DD,LK,AB,JV would be a decent starting 5 with a resigned JB,ED,AJ,TJ coming off the bench...
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Yea,grading BC's tenure with the Raps..he's been a B+ when making trades, a D- when signing FA's and a C when drafting.

The stars are aligning for a deal with the Rockets,who I think is their best trade partner. Ideally if BC can pull the trigger on a JC/JJ/#8 for Lowry/#16 Toronto will be in great shape. With the 16th pick I'd then want the Raps to take the best SF or SG availble,preferrably Terrence Jones (UK).

KL,DD,LK,AB,JV would be a decent starting 5 with a resigned JB,ED,AJ,TJ coming off the bench...

I also wouldn't discount a player like Pietrus or even Ilyasova. Trade for Lowry, then add one of those players plus another young player through the draft and we'd be looking pretty good fo sure. All the while still staying quite young. But defenitely would be a lot tougher at both ends.

Lowry
Derozan
Ilyasova or Pietrus
Bargnani
Valanciunas
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I also wouldn't discount a player like Pietrus or even Ilyasova. Trade for Lowry, then add one of those players plus another young player through the draft and we'd be looking pretty good fo sure. All the while still staying quite young. But defenitely would be a lot tougher at both ends.

Lowry
Derozan
Ilyasova or Pietrus
Bargnani
Valanciunas
Pietrus would be good and cheaper but Ilyasova gives Toronto that grit with his size and ability to rebound. He'd turn out for the Raps what they hoped Turkoglu could've been. I really don't mind Lowry at the expense of Calderon and a pick,considering Kyle wants changes in Houston. I don't see much teams making a push for him outside of Orlando,Golden State and maybe Sacramento.

Low key,I think TO's first pick in the 2nd round maybe crucial. My heart wants Kris Jospeh because of the Canada connection but if Draymond Green is still on the board,BC and co. should jump on that.
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Yea,grading BC's tenure with the Raps..he's been a B+ when making trades, a D- when signing FA's and a C when drafting.

The stars are aligning for a deal with the Rockets,who I think is their best trade partner. Ideally if BC can pull the trigger on a JC/JJ/#8 for Lowry/#16 Toronto will be in great shape. With the 16th pick I'd then want the Raps to take the best SF or SG availble,preferrably Terrence Jones (UK).

KL,DD,LK,AB,JV would be a decent starting 5 with a resigned JB,ED,AJ,TJ coming off the bench...
C when drafting? Your grades are horrible first of all.
Why would they trade Lowry for another pg just to pkay behind Dragic, especially one that makes double Lowry's salary?

To the people who want Ilyasova at sf, y'all really want to lose don't you? He cannot play the 3.
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C when drafting? Your grades are horrible first of all.
Why would they trade Lowry for another pg just to pkay behind Dragic, especially one that makes double Lowry's salary?

To the people who want Ilyasova at sf, y'all really want to lose don't you? He cannot play the 3.
BC is that you? Didn't mean to pull your card lol

Let's quickly evaluate Colangelo's draft including players he traded for (player's he kept based on draft position and performance thus far)

AB: B+ JV: TBD ED: C PJT: F
DD: B NJ: F SA: D-

Jose is better than Goran,his contract is expiring and its more about getting the #8th pick. No guarantee that Dragic will resign with Houston anyway, a more desperate team can throw money at him thinking he's the answer to their problems and he will leave.
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BC is that you? Didn't mean to pull your card lol

Let's quickly evaluate Colangelo's draft including players he traded for (player's he kept based on draft position and performance thus far)

AB: B+ JV: TBD ED: C PJT: F
DD: B NJ: F SA: D-

Jose is better than Goran,his contract is expiring and its more about getting the #8th pick. No guarantee that Dragic will resign with Houston anyway, a more desperate team can throw money at him thinking he's the answer to their problems and he will leave.
you're really gonna weigh the significance of a 2nd round pick similarly to a first rounder?
I love how you're basing this all on hindsight, and even unfairly at that. DD, ED, AB, JV are all great picks considering the picks that we got them at. At the time of each pick, each was considered a steal for the position we were slotted at except maybe for Bargs, but don't you dare say we could have gotten Aldridge or Rondo because no gm in the right mind would have picked either given out situation.

Why do I even bother? You want Ilyasova at sf lol.
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For the record, even if I happened to be BC, your post justifies why I wouldn't listen to any delusional fans if my gm career depended on it.

Jose, 8th, and JJ for Lowry and 16th is hilarious.
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