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Old 01-14-2008, 01:48 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Unfortunately Calderon is the only one who can replace what Ford brings to the lineup, and that is too much to ask of him. So it's not about having no faith in Jose, it's just seeing the big hole that just can't be filled without TJ. I think they can get the offense turned around without him no problem. They already have really. But to play defense consistently well, be able to match up well with any team, and keep Jose from wearing down, are three things that are going to be extremely tough without TJ, and effect the overall record.
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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man you too are biased ... How can you say that we had a "forgiving schedule", when after TJ got injured we've played:

Dallas
Indiana
Boston
Clippers
Portland
Seattle
Phoenix
SA
Houston
NO
Detroit
Cleveland
Phily
Knicks
Portland

That's 15 games, and a record of 8-7. The competition couldn't have been worse, by far the worst 15 games stretch of the season, and we finished above .500. 11 games against over .500 teams, 9 on the road. We've beaten San Antonio on the road (until recently the only east team to do it).

Calderon had to play 40 minutes per game with an injured hand, which for a point guard must be very painfull as they handle the ball a lot + you probably lose some precision in dribbling the ball. He's averaging 10 assists per game during this stretch, he's being mentioned in all-star conversations, he has no backup to speak of - and you actually are not happy ???? Because we lost a game against Seattle? How about Detroit losing by 25 to the Knicks ... I guess Chauncey is nothing more than a backup, right ?
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Old 01-14-2008, 03:15 PM   #23 (permalink)
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man you too are biased ... How can you say that we had a "forgiving schedule", when after TJ got injured we've played:

Dallas
Indiana
Boston
Clippers
Portland
Seattle
Phoenix
SA
Houston
NO
Detroit
Cleveland
Phily
Knicks
Portland

That's 15 games, and a record of 8-7. The competition couldn't have been worse, by far the worst 15 games stretch of the season, and we finished above .500. 11 games against over .500 teams, 9 on the road. We've beaten San Antonio on the road (until recently the only east team to do it).

Calderon had to play 40 minutes per game with an injured hand, which for a point guard must be very painfull as they handle the ball a lot + you probably lose some precision in dribbling the ball. He's averaging 10 assists per game during this stretch, he's being mentioned in all-star conversations, he has no backup to speak of - and you actually are not happy ???? Because we lost a game against Seattle? How about Detroit losing by 25 to the Knicks ... I guess Chauncey is nothing more than a backup, right ?

Wow...dramatic! You get the academy award my friend

First off... let's include all the games Jose's started... including the 2 against Memphis, Cleveland before they got going(one without Lebron), Wizards without Gilbert, Chicago and Charlotte(i'll excuse the Suns game at home) before TJ came back the first time. Half of those games were at home, so considering the opponents.... it was not a particularly tough schedule...not easy but not tough...and when you consider some of the bad teams we didnt' beat like Seattle and some of the games we got lucky(San Antonio) I am looking also at the offensive production for which he's most repsponsible..it's been shaky at best. Are you suggesting your expectations were 3 games over 500 at this point in the season? I think alot of people's were higher...and they should be. Jose's done a great job of keeping us near 500 and i love him for it.. but that doesn't mean he should suddenly be the starting guard when TJ's back and healthy. TJ led us to 12 games over 500 last year with less talent and a crappy start to the season with 9 new guys. That's what i want to see out of my team!

Second... I never said i didn't like Jose or appreciate what he's done. I do and can feel that way and still believe TJ is our starter and better for our offense in the starting role which he is.
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:21 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Wow...dramatic! You get the academy award my friend

First off... let's include all the games Jose's started... including the 2 against Memphis, Cleveland before they got going(one without Lebron), Wizards without Gilbert, Chicago and Charlotte(i'll excuse the Suns game at home) before TJ came back the first time. Half of those games were at home, so considering the opponents.... it was not a particularly tough schedule...not easy but not tough...and when you consider some of the bad teams we didnt' beat like Seattle and some of the games we got lucky(San Antonio) I am looking also at the offensive production for which he's most repsponsible..it's been shaky at best. Are you suggesting your expectations were 3 games over 500 at this point in the season? I think alot of people's were higher...and they should be. Jose's done a great job of keeping us near 500 and i love him for it.. but that doesn't mean he should suddenly be the starting guard when TJ's back and healthy. TJ led us to 12 games over 500 last year with less talent and a crappy start to the season with 9 new guys. That's what i want to see out of my team!
Second... I never said i didn't like Jose or appreciate what he's done. I do and can feel that way and still believe TJ is our starter and better for our offense in the starting role which he is.

Dramatic???...Pot..Kettle.

So when we win, Jose got lucky, and when we lose, it is because he didn't facilitate the offense. The numbers are probably skewed now, but I would venture to guess that almost all our players have better offense games when Jose is running the point. Only because T.J looks to get his own offense, which isnt neccessarily a bad thing.


T.J led the team to that record last year? I suggest you take a look at the Lenovo stats from last year, and see when the team performed its best.
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Dramatic???...Pot..Kettle.

So when we win, Jose got lucky, and when we lose, it is because he didn't facilitate the offense. The numbers are probably skewed now, but I would venture to guess that almost all our players have better offense games when Jose is running the point. Only because T.J looks to get his own offense, which isnt neccessarily a bad thing.


T.J led the team to that record last year? I suggest you take a look at the Lenovo stats from last year, and see when the team performed its best.
I never said Jose got lucky.. i'm giving him props for keeping us afloat. He's an excellent point guard but he has often struggled getting the offense flowing and getting us points when we need them(i.e. late in games). Our shooting percentage as a team is lower when he's the point guard as is the ppg. He gets to the line a lot less which is an area we need particularly when the rest of the shooters are cold. In short he's a great change of pace point guard for the team but TJ is better at kick-starting the offense and getting us easy points when the team is struggling. One thing I do like about Jose particularly this year over TJ is his shot... but he doesn't shoot enough.

As for the lenovo stats...i've looked at them.. they're rather balanced, but considering most of TJ's time came against the other team's starters and most of Joses came against the scrubs and given the depth advantage we have I dont' put those stats down as law.
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i'm in agreement with SWAN in thinking that making the playoffs without TJ would be a huge accomplishment. And that's no knock on Jose by any means.

Look, without TJ our backup PG situation is pretty much the worst in the league. yep. Counting on Martin or dixon puts us in a terrible position. We've gone from having the best tandem in the league to a great starter, but ZERO backup. What was our strength is now a glaring weakness.

So yeah... no TJ and we're in trouble.

That is unless BC gets a backup via trade or d-league signing or something.
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I am getting sick and tired when guys always bring up how this team would be if TJ was here. Guys get it in your head TJ is not here at this time so get over it. Most fans prefer Jose over TJ so get over it. I was at the game yesterday against portland and my brother wanted to buy a Calderon jersey. I had to ask the sales person first what jersey was selling more she it was calderon.Last year when TJ was leading our team what was our record at this time, think hard you might remember something like 4 games below .500, lets see where are we now with Jose leading the team...something like 3 games over .500. Remember what TJ's goal was at the start of the season...it was to make the all star team. Do you know what Jose's goal was for the season it was for the Raptors to win games as a team. I would get a big chuckle if Jose makes the all star team. All those poor TJ lovers would just cry how their little guy got screwed. Do I sound alittle pissed well guess what I am. Give Jose some credit he has been consistant all year.
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Wow...dramatic! You get the academy award my friend

First off... let's include all the games Jose's started... including the 2 against Memphis, Cleveland before they got going(one without Lebron), Wizards without Gilbert, Chicago and Charlotte(i'll excuse the Suns game at home) before TJ came back the first time. Half of those games were at home, so considering the opponents.... it was not a particularly tough schedule...not easy but not tough...and when you consider some of the bad teams we didnt' beat like Seattle and some of the games we got lucky(San Antonio) I am looking also at the offensive production for which he's most repsponsible..it's been shaky at best. Are you suggesting your expectations were 3 games over 500 at this point in the season? I think alot of people's were higher...and they should be. Jose's done a great job of keeping us near 500 and i love him for it.. but that doesn't mean he should suddenly be the starting guard when TJ's back and healthy. TJ led us to 12 games over 500 last year with less talent and a crappy start to the season with 9 new guys. That's what i want to see out of my team!

Second... I never said i didn't like Jose or appreciate what he's done. I do and can feel that way and still believe TJ is our starter and better for our offense in the starting role which he is.
I'm not following you honestly. I've listed you the last 15 games we played without TJ. 10 of those 15 are against teams that have a record of .600 or better. And yet, somehow you claim that this was a "forgiving schedule".

As for my expectations, considering the grueling schedule, I was hoping to end 2007 at .500 - in order to have a shot at 50 wins this season. Unfortunately, TJ's injury complicates things because we're basically playing with just one point guard right now - which will lead to Jose getting exhausted quite soon. If TJ returns in a backup role, I fully expect to finish 5th in the east, with the 4th best record after detroit, boston and cleveland in this order. I also expect to get 50 wins or more this season.

Even ignoring the schedule, 3 games over .500 at this state puts us on a path of 49 wins by the end of the season. You're claiming that
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, so are you actually suggesting that a lot of people expected us to win MORE than 50 ??? If I remember correctly, most analysts didnt expect us to even make the playoffs, and hardly anybody outside TO felt we're even close to a 50 wins team.

And if you question the strength of our schedule, look at Hollinger's power rankings where they list the SOS for all teams so far - and count the teams with a worse schedule so far ...
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