We better hope the Raps suck next year
Old 06-29-2010, 08:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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We don't need quick fixes anymore. Even if they were to acquire a TPE for Bosh, who is going to come here that's actually worth the money. A maxed out Amare, no way? Rudy Gay? The only way we'll become a contender is to get a high lottery pick and draft a game changer. With the Raptors luck though, a team of young guys and defensively challenged veterans will probably find a way to scrap out 30-35 wins and put themselves out of lottery contention.

I also fear that Raptors fans or even BC himself (being in a contract year) just aren't patient enough to accept the fact that it'd would be better to build slowly than keep doing knee-jerk quick fixes.
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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maybe
but losing is one of the worst feeling
each lose hurts and I always want the Raptors to win in everyway possible even if it hurts the future
when you're saying in my opinion
it is almost like not wanting to face the other team
it is like giving up already
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm torn. If Bosh does leave and we don't attract another all star caliber guy here, i'd be tempted if the draft is strong to tank and get a really top notch wing prospect to rebuild around. I dont' think the team has any pieces you could call franchise guys right now. We have some talent yes, but not that centerpiece.
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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maybe
but losing is one of the worst feeling
each lose hurts and I always want the Raptors to win in everyway possible even if it hurts the future
when you're saying in my opinion
it is almost like not wanting to face the other team
it is like giving up already
Nah more like having the right foundation. Personally with the exception of BCs first year and GGs "glory" year the Raptors to me have been nothing but losers anyways. First round knock out doesn't do anything for me unless its a young and up and coming team losing. The Raptors don't have enough talent to move forward and have another 35 win to first round knock out type season.

This team needs to wipe the slate clean and do it properly. Old fashion rebuilding is the only way the Raptors can be in playoff competition. They have to get lucky in the draft to compete and thats the route that must be taken. I would embrace a few losing seasons to rebuild properly and hope to get that miracle pick to be competitive. OKC did it with Durant and the Magic did it with Dwight. Lets hope the Raptors can do the same.

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Old 06-29-2010, 09:25 AM   #5 (permalink)
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One high lotto pick can turn things around quickly. If Bosh leaves (and subsequently goes to Miami, I'd love Beasley, Chalmers (or both) or a large TPE. That TPE could create so many possibilities. But, yeah, no quick fixes for this team. If we flounder badly this year, so be it. Let's do this rebuilding properly so that we're a contending team year in and out, not just some team that'll hopefully finish 5th-6th and make the playoffs.
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:37 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I agree with you Acie. I hope we go into rebuilding mode. I don't want to drop money on any of these players in the FA especially not to long contracts/ Hopefully we can get rid of all of our long and horrid contracts, and start the rebuilding phase. Maybe that'll work better for us
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I have faith in BC and know he will make some good moves. I think the Raptors will get 45+ wins. Just because Bosh leaves doesn't mean we can't win.
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:39 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I have no expectations for this team for the foreseeable future in terms of wins and losses. What I want to see right now are young, talented athletes that are willing to get after it and will give me that hope of some success in the future.

The prospect of rebuilding doesn't bug me, it's encouraging if anything at this point. In the next year, maybe even as early as the start of the season, most people will have a feel for what path the rebuild is taking. If I like what I'm seeing I'll be an even bigger fan. If the rebuild takes the same shape as teams past, I can't help but think I'll lose interest in this team. Either way we won't know for sure until we see some of these cats get after it on the 94.
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Beasley has potential. some serious potential. He would be a great pick up IMO.

But actually i have to agree with the point that the team will likely be too good to be a lottery team landing a high pick. Especially if you add any kind of decent returns on a Bosh s & T (say a Beasley for example).

And pardon me if i'm in the minority, but i will gladly take a .500 season over a .333 one thank you.
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:53 AM   #10 (permalink)
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watch the Raps get 40 wins even without Bosh lol...
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:03 AM   #11 (permalink)
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watch the Raps get 40 wins even without Bosh lol...
i would love that...in-his-face!
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:05 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Say that we're lucky enough to land another star in the draft.... what's to stop him from leaving TOR when his contract is up? And leaving us in the same situation that we're in right now?
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:08 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Say that we're lucky enough to land another star in the draft.... what's to stop him from leaving TOR when his contract is up? And leaving us in the same situation that we're in right now?
Because if he is a real star, he wont need to leave to join someone better in order to be on a winning team.
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what happens when Bosh is gone, snooch? does this mean you'll be exclusive to thirteen team trades for TPEs
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:19 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Say that we're lucky enough to land another star in the draft.... what's to stop him from leaving TOR when his contract is up? And leaving us in the same situation that we're in right now?
BC needs to do a better job of building a supporting cast around him, and the team needs to produce at some point. We wouldn't be having this conversation if we were winning in the playoffs on a consistent basis.

I'm of the opinion that our inability to attract free agents has everything to do with the losing culture and next to nothing to do with Toronto as a city. Teams like the T'Wolves, Pacers and the Wizards have as much trouble if not more trouble attracting free agents than us. Guys were lining up to play for these teams when they were winning, and the cities they play in are shit holes. The Clippers have a ton of trouble attracting free agents, the Lakers don't, it's because the Clippers blow every year.
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:23 AM   #16 (permalink)
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what happens when Bosh is gone, snooch? does this mean you'll be exclusive to thirteen team trades for TPEs
as long as Hedo and Jose are still here I can find a reason to propose a trade.
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i don't mind losing if it is with a young team that is learning to play together with an eye towards being great down the road.
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Because if he is a real star, he wont need to leave to join someone better in order to be on a winning team.
Tell that to Lebron & Wade who are also deciding where to go. Tell that to Shaq, Kareem Abdul Jabar, Charles Barkley, Kevin Garnett. Its is very rare for a player to stick to one team, and even if they stay with one team, a championship may never come (Stockton & Malone). We hade 6 or 7 years to put another star with Bosh and a good supporting cast, but Grunweld, Babcock, and BC failed.
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Tell that to Lebron & Wade who are also deciding where to go. Tell that to Shaq, Kareem Abdul Jabar, Charles Barkley, Kevin Garnett. Its is very rare for a player to stick to one team, and even if they stay with one team, a championship may never come (Stockton & Malone). We hade 6 or 7 years to put another star with Bosh and a good supporting cast, but Grunweld, Babcock, and BC failed.
We'll start with Shaq-He wanted to act and Rap so that was part of the lure to go to LA, their best player the season before was Ceballos at 20ppg followed by Vlade and Van Exel at 16 each. Hardly superstars.

Abdul-Jabbar requested a trade because even though he loved Milwaukee and the Fans it didnt fit him culturally/religiously and the team traded him to accomadate that. He did not leave as a free agent to join star players elsewhere.

Barkley never left a team as a free agent, he was traded from Philly for Hornacek, Lang and Perry
He was traded from Phoenix for Cassell, Horry, Bryant and Brown

Kevin Garnett was traded to Boston, didnt request a trade to Boston for reasons of playing with Pierce and Allen. Actually at the trade deadline the previous season Garnett refused to go to Boston saying he would opt out of the last year of his deal if the trade went through.
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We'll start with Shaq-He wanted to act and Rap so that was part of the lure to go to LA, their best player the season before was Ceballos at 20ppg followed by Vlade and Van Exel at 16 each. Hardly superstars.

Abdul-Jabbar requested a trade because even though he loved Milwaukee and the Fans it didnt fit him culturally/religiously and the team traded him to accomadate that. He did not leave as a free agent to join star players elsewhere.

Barkley never left a team as a free agent, he was traded from Philly for Hornacek, Lang and Perry
He was traded from Phoenix for Cassell, Horry, Bryant and Brown

Kevin Garnett was traded to Boston, didnt request a trade to Boston for reasons of playing with Pierce and Allen. Actually at the trade deadline the previous season Garnett refused to go to Boston saying he would opt out of the last year of his deal if the trade went through.
The reason Garnett refused to go to Boston initially was because it was Paul Pierce and scrubs (Bottom 3 team in the league). Its funny how Garnett okays the trade when Boston drafts Ray Allen and now Garnett can play with 2 all-stars and has a chance to win the title.

After Bump and Thump (Rick Mahorn & Barkley) era, Barkley complained and was a big headache (Barkley spit on a young girl , off-court fights) for the sixers franchise. Call him the Ron Artest of the 1980's, similiar to Ron, the Sixers traded their headcase to Phoenix.

I'll agree with your assessment with Shaq and Kareem.
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