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Old 07-10-2008, 05:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 07-10-2008, 05:33 PM   #22 (permalink)
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if the raps hadnt drated hoffa they would've had iggy right now and all of you guys wouldnt be dreaming about that happening
Tell that to every Babcock supporter on these boards.

Then again, we could have also had Roy.
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Old 07-10-2008, 05:35 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Paying luxury tax, even a little is bad because not only is a team paying the tax, it also does not participate in the re-distribution of the tax money collected from other tax-paying teams!

It's just a bad business practice.
It's not a bad business practice if it results in significantly improved results.

Ticket revenue, merchandise revenue, TV revenue, advertising revenue...those all increase in the playoffs. More playoff games equals a LOT more money.

Not to mention better teams make more money off of all those things in the regular season as well.

It's a bad business practice if you're the Knicks. It certainly is not if you expect to contend for a championship.
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Old 07-10-2008, 05:35 PM   #24 (permalink)
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He means teams can sign any player they want but once they go over the luxury tax they have to pay the NBA dollar for dollar of the money oer the luxury tax.
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Old 07-10-2008, 06:01 PM   #25 (permalink)
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It's not a bad business practice if it results in significantly improved results.

Ticket revenue, merchandise revenue, TV revenue, advertising revenue...those all increase in the playoffs. More playoff games equals a LOT more money.

Not to mention better teams make more money off of all those things in the regular season as well.

It's a bad business practice if you're the Knicks. It certainly is not if you expect to contend for a championship.
OK, let me be perfectly clear here.

I don't believe the team we have today plus Iggy (or any swingman not named Kobe) is a championship contender. As such, even if we could "throw money" at Iggy (which we can't), I wouldn't necessarily advocate doing so. Both JO and Bosh are big unknowns in terms of health, plus Bosh and Calderon are playing in the Olympics this summer, plus Bargnani is still an unknown - we are just not that close.

Yes, if all comes together just right and if everyone stays healthy and if BC manages to find enough quality spare parts for spare change and if our coach actually borrows a working brain - we could challenge this coming season, but I doubt that very much. To me, getting into the second round of the playoffs and putting up a good fight there would be enough of an accomplishment.

And no, we don't have assets to offer to Phily in sign-and-trade for Iggy. Unless he wants to come over for the MLE, you can pretty much forget about him.
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Old 07-10-2008, 06:09 PM   #26 (permalink)
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1. What is a salary cap? Why have one?

A salary cap is a limit on the amount teams can spend on player contracts, which helps to maintain competitive balance in the league. Without a salary cap, teams with deeper pockets can simply outspend the remaining teams for the better free agents. The basic idea is that a team can only sign a free agent if the total payroll for the team will not exceed the salary cap. So a team with deep pockets is playing on a level playing field with every other team.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#1

Sorry a team cannot go over the cap to sign a free agent unless they have a players Bird Rights, a player is a restricted free agent, or a team uses LLE or the MLE
Tell the Celtics that..
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Old 07-10-2008, 06:18 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Tell the Celtics that..
WTF do you mean? That the Celtics violated salary cap rules?
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Old 07-10-2008, 06:32 PM   #28 (permalink)
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OK, let me be perfectly clear here.

I don't believe the team we have today plus Iggy (or any swingman not named Kobe) is a championship contender. As such, even if we could "throw money" at Iggy (which we can't), I wouldn't necessarily advocate doing so. Both JO and Bosh are big unknowns in terms of health, plus Bosh and Calderon are playing in the Olympics this summer, plus Bargnani is still an unknown - we are just not that close.

Yes, if all comes together just right and if everyone stays healthy and if BC manages to find enough quality spare parts for spare change and if our coach actually borrows a working brain - we could challenge this coming season, but I doubt that very much. To me, getting into the second round of the playoffs and putting up a good fight there would be enough of an accomplishment.

And no, we don't have assets to offer to Phily in sign-and-trade for Iggy. Unless he wants to come over for the MLE, you can pretty much forget about him.
Your opinion on the Raptors chances this year doesn't make going over the luxury tax a bad business practice.

In general, a team going over the luxury tax is doing so to maximize their wins for the next year. The higher the win total, in general, the more revenue that team can expect to gain. If the gain in revenue outweighs the
amount of luxury tax required, how could that be a bad business practice?

Not to mention the further financial gains that come with prolonged success.

And at no point did say the Iggy to Toronto thing was going to happen (check my original post). Obviously he's not actually coming. I was simply telling the guy who brought out the salary cap rules that there are ways it could happen.
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:03 AM   #29 (permalink)
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wow hopefully nobody has enough money to sign himand the raps do sign him
The Raptors don't have cap space and so they can't even if they wanted to and they had a billion dollars in the bank.
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Wow wat a line up that would be...

and what a good line up the sixers will have if they can sign him
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Old 07-11-2008, 07:54 AM   #31 (permalink)
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And at no point did say the Iggy to Toronto thing was going to happen (check my original post). Obviously he's not actually coming. I was simply telling the guy who brought out the salary cap rules that there are ways it could happen.
I just never mentioned anything about a sign and trade because we have nothing to offer that they would possibly want. Iggy is a cornerstone in Philly-no one is getting him until he become unrestricted.
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Old 07-11-2008, 08:36 AM   #32 (permalink)
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He's restricted, so as you can see, we got full media and cable services under the rock I have been dwelling under for the last ten years!



So Toronto could throw 15 million a year at him and take him. Or whatever number it might be. He's a friggan Allstar type guy. Just take him, this ain't a Hippie love in, fuck Philly, take thier guy.

I would.

I'd get fired by the MLSE, but after the team more than made up for the salary and tax by going tres deep in the Playoffs, I'd sign me a massive deal elsewhere. Then I'd take Calderon and Bosh a few years later from Toronto, just for fun.
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Old 07-11-2008, 08:50 AM   #33 (permalink)
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How the hell could we spend $15 million when we have no cap space left though?

Or maybe i'm not understanding the concept of luxury tax?

I don't know
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:00 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Well you can spend what ya want, you just have to pay big cash in tax penalties.

The MLSE is not known for taking gambles like that. They don't need to. They know damn well that they could reap benefits from a championship team, but they also know that there has historically documented "championship hangover" for many teams that win. The fans seem drawn to the battle, the chase, the wanting for a championship, then, if they are not "fanatical" type fans, which Torontonians aren't since most have lives outside of sports, simply become disinterested in the years following the champuonship, and the revnues go down.

Why make the gamble, in thier eyes, they have a captive audience that seems drawn to the teams NOT winning.

That said, I think the MLSE is fucked.

I'd steal Iggy.

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It's simple though. This is the ML$E. They could care less what's going on as long as they get money.
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How the hell could we spend $15 million when we have no cap space left though?

Or maybe i'm not understanding the concept of luxury tax?

I don't know
A team cannot spend money on a free agent they do not have. If a team is over the cap the ONLY way they can sign a free agent is by the MLE(Mid Level Exemption) or by the LLE (Low Level Exemption) a team can only use the LLE every 2 years and the Raps used it last year on Baston. The MLE last year was used in full on Kapono, this year it is around 5.85 million, part of which was used on Ukic,Adams and whatever player will get the 13th spot on the roster(House?)

The cap prevents rich teams like LA from simply signing everyone-the Lakers, if this was the case could easily pay for BDiddy and Brand with the money that team makes..

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Well you can spend what ya want, you just have to pay big cash in tax penalties.
SJ, please read SnoochieBoochie's post right above mine. It has become obvious you don't quite get the way current CBA works. Read my lips: we cannot spend more than an MLE (around 6 mil this season) on Iggy!!! We simply can't, MLSE or no MLSE. Even if the Raps were owned by Gates or Buffet, there are rules in place that would prevent them from offering Iggy a contract that'd start with more than 6 mil/season.

I hope it's clear now...
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Yeah I know about the MLE and LLE. And I realize we're already using it on Roko, Adams or whoever. Which is why I asked why take the risk in going over the cap and paying up for Iggy like SJ said. But i found the answer to that already.
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omg! why haven't we thought of this! lets sign iggy and deng while we're at it! okafor and smith are both available as well!

O'Neal - Okafor
Bosh - Bargs
Deng - Smith
Iggy - Adams!!!!
Calderon- Nash will retire so he can sign here as a free agent! he said he always wanted to play in canada, why not win a championship here too!

get to work bc!
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omg! why haven't we thought of this! lets sign iggy and deng while we're at it! okafor and smith are both available as well!

O'Neal - Okafor
Bosh - Bargs
Deng - Smith
Iggy - Adams!!!!
Calderon- Nash will retire so he can sign here as a free agent! he said he always wanted to play in canada, why not win a championship here too!

get to work bc!
You're kidding right?
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