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Old 05-13-2011, 10:16 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Bargnani is not a bad person, he's just misguided. I honestly think he doesn't believe he's hurting his team when he stands and watches as opposing players get rebounds or lay it in in front of him. It's just so that no one tells him otherwise. Everyone was euphoric when Triano allowed Bargnani to play through mistakes as opposed to Smitch. So Triano has been thanked for it so many times that maybe he doesn't dare to "turn back". Triano needs to realize that if you favour one player no matter how beneficial it can be for that player, it can send a confusing message to the rest of the team. Then your message has no effect.
what?! am i reading this wrong???? how stupid of a notion is that....
1. if you don't think someone doing a layup in front of you is hurting the team then u shouldn't be playing basketball at ANY LEVEL
2. i can't believe that what you "honestly think"

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Old 05-13-2011, 04:53 PM   #42 (permalink)
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what?! am i reading this wrong???? how stupid of a notion is that....
1. if you don't think someone doing a layup in front of you is hurting the team then u shouldn't be playing basketball at ANY LEVEL
2. i can't believe that what you "honestly think"
Well no. If you think you do more complicated things for the team and don't want to risk a foul or an injury, and most importantly if your coach doesn't raise an eyebrow and allows you to carry on in this fashion, why would you have any reason to think that you're doing something wrong?
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Well no. If you think you do more complicated things for the team and don't want to risk a foul or an injury, and most importantly if your coach doesn't raise an eyebrow and allows you to carry on in this fashion, why would you have any reason to think that you're doing something wrong?
ya, its not his fault because no one told him that allowing ur opponents doing a layup in ur face is a bad thing in basketball. he gets a pass on that one.
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Old 05-13-2011, 05:32 PM   #44 (permalink)
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ya, its not his fault because no one told him that allowing ur opponents doing a layup in ur face is a bad thing in basketball. he gets a pass on that one.
dude, stop embellishing things..... Bargnani isn't the only Raptor that allowed guys to walk all over him. This team is soft. They all let guys blow by them. Yes, Bargnani played poorly, but newsflash, they all did defensively more often than not.
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Old 05-13-2011, 05:47 PM   #45 (permalink)
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dude, stop embellishing things..... Bargnani isn't the only Raptor that allowed guys to walk all over him. This team is soft. They all let guys blow by them. Yes, Bargnani played poorly, but newsflash, they all did defensively more often than not.
how about you figure out what we're talking about before you add ur 2 cents?
moujik honestly thinks that Bargnani he doesn't know he's hurting his team when he stands and watches as opposing players get rebounds or lay it in in front of him because no one has told him its wrong

do YOU think thats a reasonable explanation for bargnani's play? Bargnani supports are never short on new theories of bargnani's defensive woes but this is a new one i gotta admitt. although i may not agree with most of them, but at least they are reasonable. this is just utterly ridiculous.

i find it hard to believe that someone who is playing in the NBA, has played basketball his entire life, and somewhere down the line no one has told him, "Hey don't just watch ur opponent do layups in ur face"....let alone should have figured that out on your own...

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Old 05-13-2011, 06:01 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Take Bargs out of the discussion and I agree with carp, many of our players just let opposing players embarrass the team. JC is the worst culprit of them all. However in the end, if most of our players are being accused of poor defense then our coaches have to be looked at, as IMO, they did a horrible job teaching team defense and rotations.

Instead of the fans going after one player the team really should address this issue holistically and not the piece meal band-aide approach.
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Old 05-13-2011, 08:14 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Bosh was pursued as a FA because he rebounded the basketball and he was one of the league's best at getting to the FT line (and converting). He was/is also a very efficient shooter and is capable of excelling when part of a solid defensive unit.

Bargs doesn't bring nearly as much to the table. He's a volume scorer. That's about it.
wasnt comparing Bargs or saying he was better than bosh, wasnt even my argument.....but i guess you don't really need much of an excuse to constantly praise the shit out of cb1

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Old 05-19-2011, 04:01 AM   #48 (permalink)
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A draft day deal that will move Barnani for a late lottery pick in this weak draft will be high point of the season for me
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Old 05-19-2011, 07:29 AM   #49 (permalink)
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A draft day deal that will move Barnani for a late lottery pick in this weak draft will be high point of the season for me
In this draft? Are there any softer, smaller Euros avaiilable? Talk about moving backward.
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Old 05-19-2011, 12:21 PM   #50 (permalink)
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A draft day deal that will move Barnani for a late lottery pick in this weak draft will be high point of the season for me
Ain't gonna happen. He is worth way more than a late draft pick in a poor draft. I don't think this draft is any good for trades.
It's easy to get a late pick, project, raw player who can't even put 4-5 ppg.
Is this what you really want?
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Old 05-19-2011, 05:06 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I want to get rid of Bargnani, he is not the player to build the team around. And I know BC will not give him away so some value will come back.
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I think you can just find somebody else to be the centerpiece, but this doesn't mean that you have to get rid of Andrea. As long as the team had a decent overall defence, in the past years, he was not so atrocius, but putting him in the focal point of your defence is not a clever move. A lot of player are not good defenders but in the right system they can at least do their job. Same goes for the opposite situation. I watched some of the last lakers matches and Bynum himself was not able to keep up the whole defence when teamates on the perimeter where constantly beaten.
But hey, I'm sure that this team w\o Bargs is going to be a defencive force!
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I think you can just find somebody else to be the centerpiece, but this doesn't mean that you have to get rid of Andrea. As long as the team had a decent overall defence, in the past years, he was not so atrocius, but putting him in the focal point of your defence is not a clever move. A lot of player are not good defenders but in the right system they can at least do their job. Same goes for the opposite situation. I watched some of the last lakers matches and Bynum himself was not able to keep up the whole defence when teamates on the perimeter where constantly beaten.
But hey, I'm sure that this team w\o Bargs is going to be a defencive force!
As someone else pointed out to me, rational thought has no place in this thread.
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Old 05-19-2011, 08:34 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Trade the pick & Bargnani for Derrick Williams. This is actually plausible. If Cleveland picks Irving which is what they will probably do, Minnesota will pick Derrick Williams. Do they need Derrick Williams? No, they have Beasley. Bargnani on the Wolves would be a good fit. With Kevin Love grabbing every rebound it lets Bargnani play the way he wants, and it worked quite well in Toronto with Reggie Evans... and Love is a better rebounder.

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Old 05-20-2011, 09:17 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Trade the pick & Bargnani for Derrick Williams. This is actually plausible. If Cleveland picks Irving which is what they will probably do, Minnesota will pick Derrick Williams. Do they need Derrick Williams? No, they have Beasley. Bargnani on the Wolves would be a good fit. With Kevin Love grabbing every rebound it lets Bargnani play the way he wants, and it worked quite well in Toronto with Reggie Evans... and Love is a better rebounder.
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Old 05-24-2011, 08:14 AM   #56 (permalink)
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how about you figure out what we're talking about before you add ur 2 cents?
moujik honestly thinks that Bargnani he doesn't know he's hurting his team when he stands and watches as opposing players get rebounds or lay it in in front of him because no one has told him its wrong

do YOU think thats a reasonable explanation for bargnani's play? Bargnani supports are never short on new theories of bargnani's defensive woes but this is a new one i gotta admitt. although i may not agree with most of them, but at least they are reasonable. this is just utterly ridiculous.

i find it hard to believe that someone who is playing in the NBA, has played basketball his entire life, and somewhere down the line no one has told him, "Hey don't just watch ur opponent do layups in ur face"....let alone should have figured that out on your own...
I know it's ridiculous, but it may well be true. Your own perception of what you do can be very different from other people's perception. Hey, I want Bargs traded as much as the next guy. (not standing next to carp)
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