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Old 02-23-2012, 11:43 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Vince is just ahead of Mitch Richmond, in stride with Grant Hill, with no chance of catching up to Paul Pierce.
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Old 02-23-2012, 11:45 AM   #62 (permalink)
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My biggest beef with most basketball fans, is they depend on stats to tell ALL of the story.

It's why Melo is a "top 5 talent" in the NBA. He scores 20+ every night! They dont mention it took 30 shots and the player he defended got 20 as well.

VCs numbers are inflated because GMs paid so much $$$ for them the coaches had to play him. (post Raptors anyways).

Players like VC should not even be mentioned when HOF talks come up. He is not even close in my books.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:21 PM   #63 (permalink)
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D Wilkins made the playoffs 9 times and had a good number of 50+ win seasons. Vince made the playoffs a couple times here and 3 times in NJ almost always with a lower seeding and fairly mediocre record. His best years came in Orlando with a lesser role, contributing around 16 points per game. All of his playoff appearances were pretty inconsistent. Nique easily had the better results and was certainly on some elite teams. No he couldn't beat one of the best teams in the history of the game, but he competed, and made it clear just how good the Celtics, and then the Pistons were.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:33 PM   #64 (permalink)
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My biggest beef with most basketball fans, is they depend on stats to tell ALL of the story.

It's why Melo is a "top 5 talent" in the NBA. He scores 20+ every night! They dont mention it took 30 shots and the player he defended got 20 as well.

VCs numbers are inflated because GMs paid so much $$$ for them the coaches had to play him. (post Raptors anyways).

Players like VC should not even be mentioned when HOF talks come up. He is not even close in my books.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:48 PM   #65 (permalink)
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D Wilkins made the playoffs 9 times and had a good number of 50+ win seasons. Vince made the playoffs a couple times here and 3 times in NJ almost always with a lower seeding and fairly mediocre record. His best years came in Orlando with a lesser role, contributing around 16 points per game. All of his playoff appearances were pretty inconsistent. Nique easily had the better results and was certainly on some elite teams. No he couldn't beat one of the best teams in the history of the game, but he competed, and made it clear just how good the Celtics, and then the Pistons were.
Why is Boston better than Shaq and wade...did they ever play?
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:37 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Vince may not need us to welcome him back in order to receive an honour.

He has definitely slowed down and hopefully he does not end up in China like T-Mac, but he's only about 500 pts from Larry Bird and there is no one in the top 30 career who is elligible to be in The Hall that is not.

We can't tank properly, we can't attract the best free agents, we haven't been able to trade to reach real contender status, we have too many young and uncertains on our team, we have to resort to being happy when players just do what they are supposed to do.

Vince going into the HOF as a Raptor may be our only accomplishment until this franchise moves to Long Island.

Just think, you will be able to have your picture taken standing beside Vince Carter's statue in front of the ACC. ha-haaaaa!

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Old 11-08-2012, 03:23 PM   #67 (permalink)
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D Wilkins made the playoffs 9 times and had a good number of 50+ win seasons. Vince made the playoffs a couple times here and 3 times in NJ almost always with a lower seeding and fairly mediocre record. His best years came in Orlando with a lesser role, contributing around 16 points per game. All of his playoff appearances were pretty inconsistent. Nique easily had the better results and was certainly on some elite teams. No he couldn't beat one of the best teams in the history of the game, but he competed, and made it clear just how good the Celtics, and then the Pistons were.
VC's made the playoffs 8 times already if you include the year the Raptors made it when he got his initial jumpers knee and sat out that playoffs series against detroit and he'll likely make it a 9th time this year
and you're saying nique competed but didn't win, so then you're saying VC isn't competing and he's not making it clear how good the teams we goes up against are?
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:00 PM   #68 (permalink)
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VC's made the playoffs 8 times already if you include the year the Raptors made it when he got his initial jumpers knee and sat out that playoffs series against detroit and he'll likely make it a 9th time this year
and you're saying nique competed but didn't win, so then you're saying VC isn't competing and he's not making it clear how good the teams we goes up against are?
The year the Raptors made the playoffs without him, they went on a winning streak to get there, AFTER his injury. He had no part of making it there, and he did not play in them. His appearances last season, and this season (if it happens) did not showcase him in any kind of role equal to Wilkins. Much of his career has been in a lesser role to Wilkins. And he consistently underachieved. Show me where he made it to the Eastern conference finals or won 50+ games over and over again. And yeah - what team that beat him really proved much of anything? Bird, McHale and the rest of the Celtics will tell you just how much they were tested. What great player or team will say that of Vince?
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:41 PM   #69 (permalink)
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The NBA wouldn't dare cheapen the HOF.

Would they?
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:46 PM   #70 (permalink)
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I could tolerate having VC as our starting SF this year. Let's contact Dallas about a trade. Yeah, that's the dark place Landry has brought me to.

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Old 11-08-2012, 09:53 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Just like anything else, you have to form your own personal opinion.
I'm not afraid to say that at this point, I would not be opposed to Vince coming back to finish his career here even though a lot of people will be pissed.

1. It would be a cathartic exercise to stop the pouting. I don't think we're looking too good around the league anymore booing everyone.

2. For those who think Vince is nothing, from kids to grown-ass men, he obviously will always have a huge connection to fans and is likely still mobbed for pics and autographs. It would be a chance to show the league that at least one player who has made a name for himself holds Toronto in high regard. News flash...even old vets don't choose Toronto.

3. He will be motivated to play and show his best, to recruit players and to trumpet Toronto as a good place for players. His antics caused damage. He can contribute to some repair.

4. Sad as it is, he's about all this franchise has as a real legacy

5. As of right now, he can still shoot, defend and get to the line.
If things go south in Dallas, Landry Fields, a 2nd rounder and cash for Vince.



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Old 11-09-2012, 02:02 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Just like anything else, you have to form your own personal opinion.
I'm not afraid to say that at this point, I would not be opposed to Vince coming back to finish his career here even though a lot of people will be pissed.

1. It would be a cathartic exercise to stop the pouting. I don't think we're looking too good around the league anymore booing everyone.

2. For those who think Vince is nothing, from kids to grown-ass men, he obviously will always have a huge connection to fans and is likely still mobbed for pics and autographs. It would be a chance to show the league that at least one player who has made a name for himself holds Toronto in high regard. News flash...even old vets don't choose Toronto.

3. He will be motivated to play and show his best, to recruit players and to trumpet Toronto as a good place for players. His antics caused damage. He can contribute to some repair.

4. Sad as it is, he's about all this franchise has as a real legacy

5. As of right now, he can still shoot, defend and get to the line.
If things go south in Dallas, Landry Fields, a 2nd rounder and cash for Vince.



Come on home, Vince. They'll only boo you at first.
re: the bolded.... you'd really trust him to do this? Because I sure as hell wouldn't. $10 says that he'd sign, "get injured" after 3 games and sit on the bench smiling through losses just like he used to.

No thanks. Our young guys don't need that kind of example.
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:49 AM   #73 (permalink)
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re: the bolded.... you'd really trust him to do this? Because I sure as hell wouldn't. $10 says that he'd sign, "get injured" after 3 games and sit on the bench smiling through losses just like he used to.

No thanks. Our young guys don't need that kind of example.
Yes, I think he would. I think one of the reasons he'd want to come back is to erase some of what went on. I don't know what ended up making him force his hand, but it's easy to forget that this is he same guy who ran a charity, would spend parts of his summer doing basketball camps, putting on a full house all-star game in Toronto that would attract NBA stars and spending time trying to recruit players. He has enough value that he can go anywhere and collect a cheque.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:22 AM   #75 (permalink)
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re: the bolded.... you'd really trust him to do this? Because I sure as hell wouldn't. $10 says that he'd sign, "get injured" after 3 games and sit on the bench smiling through losses just like he used to.

No thanks. Our young guys don't need that kind of example.
He seems to be fitting in with Dallas' young guys and they just outplayed ours.... I'm thinking you're overblowing it. He's exactly the kind of guy that would have a vested interest in not only improving the franchise's reputation/value as well as his own. He'd be here with only the pressure of being a great teammate, which every teammate has suggested he has always been, and an ambassador with much more reach than any player we've had since.... umm... him. Also, he still has a more dunking ability than anyone on our team. Air Canada baby!
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Vince Carter a HOFer ???

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Old 11-11-2012, 01:55 PM   #77 (permalink)
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The facts are, no ring, no scoring title, no mvp, not a good defensive player, and a reputation as a lazy player who never reached his full potential. I could care less about his Point totals. He's no HOF player imo.
To me player with the most gifted basketball talent ever-- with just average desire. He would lead the league in most offensive categories if he had Kobe's or Larry's want to win. HOF'er? No.
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To me player with the most gifted basketball talent ever-- with just average desire. He would lead the league in most offensive categories if he had Kobe's or Larry's want to win. HOF'er? No.
I disagree. T-Mac easily was the most gifted basketball talent to not succeed his full potential. Maybe Grant Hill.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:28 PM   #79 (permalink)
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I disagree. T-Mac easily was the most gifted basketball talent to not succeed his full potential. Maybe Grant Hill.
carter was more talented imo. he had more of a skillset, and was a better defender. more of a complete player.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:30 PM   #80 (permalink)
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the thing that hindered tmac was his body. the thing that hindered Carter was his attitude.
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