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Old 05-22-2014, 06:27 PM   #41 (permalink)
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1 more year? No team will trade for him unless it's as DanH states - extend and trade. I agree with you though, I highly doubt Love will want to go there....unless LBJ does this summer as Cav fans seem to hope.



Not sure about all the intensity for Embiid or Wiggins or Parker. All have potential to be all stars or near all stars but certainly they have done nothing to warrant this level of hype. Embiid has defensive potential all over him but is already hurt, Wiggins can jump high and is ridiculously athletic but lacks that killer instinct (so far but then many said that about Drummond) and Parker has a really good all around game but so far none screams must have or carry themselves with that "swagger", not like when Hill was coming in, or MJ or the Dream or Dwade or Timmy or LBJ, etc. None are a lock to even be at Love's elite level let alone being considered a franchise player(s). Potential of course but KLove is only 25 years old and just went 26.1 and 12.5 with 4.4 apg and he still hasn't quite hit his ceiling yet imo - in terms of defense and enhancing his team mates while on the floor.

BTW - it was another poster that suggested the Cavs go for Love but without the #1 pick. Love on the Cavs make no sense unless LBJ is there so fat chance. I still think Love is worth the no1 though
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I'm just not sure how it can pass on this type of two-way upside at center.

We're not just talking about a raw 7-footer—Embiid is crazy skilled with post moves for days, from jump hooks and dream shakes to up-and-unders and spin moves.

Defensively, he has the ability to change a game by shrinking the rim he's defending.


Yah, why bother when you can get Kevin Love?
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Embiid:

I'm just not sure how it can pass on this type of two-way upside at center.

We're not just talking about a raw 7-footer—Embiid is crazy skilled with post moves for days, from jump hooks and dream shakes to up-and-unders and spin moves.

Defensively, he has the ability to change a game by shrinking the rim he's defending.


Yah, why bother when you can get Kevin Love?
Embid is sick, but I think I'd go with Wiggins tbh.
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I'm just not sure how it can pass on this type of two-way upside at center.

We're not just talking about a raw 7-footer—Embiid is crazy skilled with post moves for days, from jump hooks and dream shakes to up-and-unders and spin moves.

Defensively, he has the ability to change a game by shrinking the rim he's defending.


Yah, why bother when you can get Kevin Love?
I'll take a definitive multiple time all star just on the cusp of entering his prime over "potential" of an all star in any year. Seeing though that the Cavs really have nothing besides Waiters and Irving to go with Love it wouldn't make sense any ways considering their circumstances.

As it stands, I would take Embiid over Wiggins and resign Hawes to play stretch 4 and try to resign Deng. Run a line of Irving, Waiters, Deng, Hawes, Embiid. If I couldn't get Deng I go Deng light and over pay a touch for Ariza - though TT can be traded for an SF as well seeing as the rumors have him on the block; though personally I would keep him.

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I'll take a definitive multiple time all star just on the cusp of entering his prime over "potential" of an all star in any year. Seeing though that the Cavs really have nothing besides Waiters and Irving to go with Love it wouldn't make sense any ways.

As it stands, I would take Embiid over Wiggins and resign Hawes to play stretch 4 and try to resign Deng. Run a line of Irving, Waiters, Deng, Hawes, Embiid
Now if only he had been a multiple time all-star.....
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Now if only he had been a multiple time all-star.....
uhm...3x time all star, I think that's considered multiple


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Not bad for a guy drafted 5th....there was stupid hype for OJ and Beasley who were picked ahead. Rose and Westbrook of course should have been but there are no guarantees.

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Voted in once only, replacement selection once, selected by coaches once. Great stats on a poor team- seen the movie before.

Drafted 5th and traded from MEM to MINN on draft day.
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Voted in once only, replacement selection once, selected by coaches once. Great stats on a poor team- seen the movie before.

Drafted 5th and traded from MEM to MINN on draft day.
I don't disagree with any of that...and? Not sure your point other than your dislike for Love.

As for the draft, I would bet Mem wished they had kept him instead of swapping for OJ or the Heat taking him instead of Beasley.

My point is there are no guarantees in the draft and for some teams it makes complete sense to trade a top pick, even the #1 for Love it makes sense. Doesn't make sense for the Cavs.

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I don't disagree with any of that...and? Bet Mem wished they had of kept him instead of trading for OJ or the Heat taking him instead of Beasley.

Not sure your point other than your dislike for Love.
I don't dislike Love. I just don't over-rate him.

Chris Paul is arguably the best PG in the NBA and a multiple all-star.

In training camp last fall Doc Rivers went to him and said- "That's nice. What have won?" He did not mean individual honours.

Kevin Love- what have you won?
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I don't dislike Love. I just don't over-rate him.

Chris Paul is arguably the best PG in the NBA and a multiple all-star.

In training camp last fall Doc Rivers went to him and said- "That's nice. What have won?" He did not mean individual honours.

Kevin Love- what have you won?
Chris Paul - What have you won? Nothing and that's true so if one considers CP3 the best pg under that premise, then he's over rated? Besides, I would take Rondo over Paul any day

I don't over rate Love but there are certain situations for teams that it would make sense to trade a top pick for him. Now if this was 2007 with Durant or Oden......hellz no. Or 2005 with Bogut, Williams, CP3....hellz no. Or 2004 with Howard....Hellz no. Or 2009 with Griffin or 2011 with Irving or 2012 Davis.

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Chris Paul - What have you won? Nothing and that's true so if one considers CP3 the best pg under that premise, then he's over rated? Besides, I would take Rondo over Paul any day
Best PG is an individual honour- has nothing to do with over-rating. And I'd take Parker over Paul or Rondo. He has 3 rings.
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Best PG is an individual honour- has nothing to do with over-rating. And I'd take Parker over Paul or Rondo. He has 3 rings.
Lol actually I would too but not because of his rings but because he's proven he can lead a team to a championship - and not just the NBA.
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Voted in once only, replacement selection once, selected by coaches once. Great stats on a poor team- seen the movie before.

Drafted 5th and traded from MEM to MINN on draft day.
I don't even know what this means ....

Love is easily a top 15 player, who's exposed because he's on such a terrible overall team and hasn't been surrounded by the necessary parts. Offensively, he's exceptional at his position, defensively, below average. I'm not saying anything ground-breaking here.

It's not like he's Jerry Stackhouse circa 2000.
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Embiid has back problems if you wanna risk it.
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Apparently bill simmons says he's all healed up. good as new
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Old 05-23-2014, 02:38 AM   #55 (permalink)
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I don't know man, I would think twice about picking embid. Back problems for a big man are never a good sign
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I love how there was all this talk of so many transcendent players in this draft, no questions, no risks. Trade any good players just to get a slim chance at such greatness. Then when it comes to the one guy that is clearly the biggest game changer it becomes such a big risk.
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I love how there was all this talk of so many transcendent players in this draft, no questions, no risks. Trade any good players just to get a slim chance at such greatness. Then when it comes to the one guy that is clearly the biggest game changer it becomes such a big risk.
No questions, no risks? I love how you insist on strawmanning the tanking argument.
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It's this year's draft Minny wants, not next year or the year after. Is Love worth this year's no#1 pick? Well, considering what Love brings to the table and that this year's draft does not have a LBJ in it, then yes, I say Love is definitely worth the #1 pick.
I doubt Love gets moved at the draft. In all likelihood, he'll get dealt in the off-season when the acquiring team can first negotiate an extension with him before consummating the deal.
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I doubt Love gets moved at the draft. In all likelihood, he'll get dealt in the off-season when the acquiring team can first negotiate an extension with him before consummating the deal.
They can do that at the draft as well, it would just be a two year deal for Love instead of a 3 year deal. 2 years might be enough for teams to feel they can convince him to stay.
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