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Old 05-21-2014, 09:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't think they're trading love, what Portland did this season will probably convince them to try another year. Remember when aldridge was asking for a trade last summer?
I know that's their hope but Love seems intent on going. Hell, if Orlando came to me with that deal, I'd trade Love and field that kind of a roster potential.
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I'd be happy with a 4 yr deal between 10-12 mil per yr. Hopefully it doesn't go up much higher than that.
I'm guessing there's an option for a 5 year but as someone said MU isn't known for that. Maybe Lowry takes a little less for that extra year of security....? That would be advantageous to both sides I would think.
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I'm guessing there's an option for a 5 year but as someone said MU isn't known for that. Maybe Lowry takes a little less for that extra year of security....? That would be advantageous to both sides I would think.
I think that giving a 28 year old point guard who had 1 all star year (in a contract year) a 5 year deal is unlikely. His reckless style of play won't let him age well. Realistically I think we are looking at 3 year deal, with a TO for the 4th year.
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I think that giving a 28 year old point guard who had 1 all star year (in a contract year) a 5 year deal is unlikely. His reckless style of play won't let him age well. Realistically I think we are looking at 3 year deal, with a TO for the 4th year.
I think he's getting a 4yr guaranteed contract.
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I think he's getting a 4yr guaranteed contract.
If negotiations are floating between 10 and 12 M per year, I'd love to see a 4 yr 12M deal with an unguaranteed 5th year, rather than just a 4 yr 10M deal. A little extra cap cost now, extraordinary asset insurance down the road.

Mind you, I'd be happy with 4/40 or even 5/50 as well.
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I think that giving a 28 year old point guard who had 1 all star year (in a contract year) a 5 year deal is unlikely. His reckless style of play won't let him age well. Realistically I think we are looking at 3 year deal, with a TO for the 4th year.
I think you're right on with the 4th Team Option year. He takes a lot of hits going to the basket and taking it in the gut. I'm not saying he becomes useless after 3 years, but I could see him change his game a bit to where he's not killing himself on the court. Lets the Raps decide whether that 4th year is worth it.
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Old 05-22-2014, 12:54 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I was going to reply with, "I think we can take Orlando off the list as with the 4th pick they can now comfortable take Exum - lucky bastards - I just like that kid, 6'6" guard - just sweet. Exum/Oladipo/Harris/O'Quinn/Vucevic - would free up Afflalo to trade to upgrade the PF spot".

Then I had a thought, what if Orlando packages Nelson/Afflalo/picks #4 and #12 for Love and #13 - think that would entice Minny? Then Orlando can attempt to sign KL for 4/48 - similar to Lawson. Then the Magic could potentially have a line-up of Lowry/Oladipo/Harris/Love/Vucevic and then use the #13 for Payton, (even if they don't get the #13, still nice as they would still have cap room for upgrades). Would that entice Love?
I don't think Love would agree to sign an extension with Orlando, which would nix any deal. I also agree with Milk that I don't see Orlando going after Love.

Cleveland is the team that should target Love, and they have an allotment of young players and picks to offer, although not the #1. Irving, Wiggins, and Love would be a great trio to build around.
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I don't think Love would agree to sign an extension with Orlando, which would nix any deal. I also agree with Milk that I don't see Orlando going after Love.

Cleveland is the team that should target Love, and they have an allotment of young players and picks to offer, although not the #1. Irving, Wiggins, and Love would be a great trio to build around.
Why would Minny trade Love without the top pick? Love is going nowhere without a top pick in this years draft going back imo.
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Why would Minny trade Love without the top pick? Love is going nowhere without a top pick in this years draft going back imo.
Agreed. But I also think that Love would not agree to extend in CLE, since the franchise has been such a mess.
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Agreed. But I also think that Love would not agree to extend in CLE, since the franchise has been such a mess.
with the right moves made, if he sees they set a solid roster, he could sign an extension no doubt. Doesn't he have until December or something to sign one? He could even wait it out and see how the team does.

Especially given that Cle is in the east, as opposed to west.

Easier competition=potentially even higher stats plus easier playoff berth. Also easier to make all star game.
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with the right moves made, if he sees they set a solid roster, he could sign an extension no doubt. Doesn't he have until December or something to sign one? He could even wait it out and see how the team does.

Especially given that Cle is in the east, as opposed to west.

Easier competition=potentially even higher stats plus easier playoff berth. Also easier to make all star game.
No way a team trades assets for a rental of Love. They would need him to extend-and-trade, so he'd have to do it now.
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No way a team trades assets for a rental of Love. They would need him to extend-and-trade, so he'd have to do it now.
debatable. Some teams might be willing to take that risk.
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debatable. Some teams might be willing to take that risk.
Stupid teams.
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Why would Minny trade Love without the top pick? Love is going nowhere without a top pick in this years draft going back imo.
Is Love worth the top pick in this year's draft? I doubt it.

Cleveland could offer a combination of players and picks - Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, Gee, Zeller, plus their own, Memphis', and Miami's first-round picks in 2015 and beyond. They also have 2 2nd-round picks this year.
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Is Love worth the top pick in this year's draft? I doubt it.

Cleveland could offer a combination of players and picks - Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, Gee, Zeller, plus their own, Memphis', and Miami's first-round picks in 2015 and beyond. They also have 2 2nd-round picks this year.
It's this year's draft Minny wants, not next year or the year after. Is Love worth this year's no#1 pick? Well, considering what Love brings to the table and that this year's draft does not have a LBJ in it, then yes, I say Love is definitely worth the #1 pick.
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It's this year's draft Minny wants, not next year or the year after. Is Love worth this year's no#1 pick? Well, considering what Love brings to the table and that this year's draft does not have a LBJ in it, then yes, I say Love is definitely worth the #1 pick.
Despite the gaudy statistic's, Love has shown in 6 years that he isn't a franchise player.

CLE can pick Embiid- he can be a franchise player. If CLE would trade the # 1 for Love, they're plain out stupid, and their suckage is well deserved.
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Despite the gaudy statistic's, Love has shown in 6 years that he isn't a franchise player.

CLE can pick Embiid- he can be a franchise player. If CLE would trade the # 1 for Love, they're plain out stupid, and their suckage is well deserved.
I have to agree. Everyone has to remember that Love only has 1 more year on his contract. If Cleveland gave up the 1st pick for him do people honestly think he would re-sign there? Sure they can pay him more money, but I highly doubt he would stay in Cleveland just for the money because he knows they have been horrible like Minnesota for the last few years and will only continue to be crap, regardless if he gets traded there or not. If Cleveland end up making this trade they will stay at the bottom of the league for the next 10-15 years to come.
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I have to agree. Everyone has to remember that Love only has 1 more year on his contract. If Cleveland gave up the 1st pick for him do people honestly think he would re-sign there? Sure they can pay him more money, but I highly doubt he would stay in Cleveland just for the money because he knows they have been horrible like Minnesota for the last few years and will only continue to be crap, regardless if he gets traded there or not. If Cleveland end up making this trade they will stay at the bottom of the league for the next 10-15 years to come.
Even if he agreed before the trade to a new contract with CLE, it's an incredibly dumb trade. CLE upside would be maybe, sort of Melo and the Knicks.

Hope they do the trade. Stupidity is a wonderful spectacle.
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I have to agree. Everyone has to remember that Love only has 1 more year on his contract. If Cleveland gave up the 1st pick for him do people honestly think he would re-sign there? Sure they can pay him more money, but I highly doubt he would stay in Cleveland just for the money because he knows they have been horrible like Minnesota for the last few years and will only continue to be crap, regardless if he gets traded there or not. If Cleveland end up making this trade they will stay at the bottom of the league for the next 10-15 years to come.
1 more year? No team will trade for him unless it's as DanH states - extend and trade. I agree with you though, I highly doubt Love will want to go there....unless LBJ does this summer as Cav fans seem to hope.

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Even if he agreed before the trade to a new contract with CLE, it's an incredibly dumb trade. CLE upside would be maybe, sort of Melo and the Knicks.

Hope they do the trade. Stupidity is a wonderful spectacle.
Not sure about all the intensity for Embiid or Wiggins or Parker. All have potential to be all stars or near all stars but certainly they have done nothing to warrant this level of hype. Embiid has defensive potential all over him but is already hurt, Wiggins can jump high and is ridiculously athletic but lacks that killer instinct (so far but then many said that about Drummond) and Parker has a really good all around game but so far none screams must have or carry themselves with that "swagger", not like when Hill was coming in, or MJ or the Dream or Dwade or Timmy or LBJ, etc. None are a lock to even be at Love's elite level let alone being considered a franchise player(s). Potential of course but KLove is only 25 years old and just went 26.1 and 12.5 with 4.4 apg and he still hasn't quite hit his ceiling yet imo - in terms of defense and enhancing his team mates while on the floor.

BTW - it was another poster that suggested the Cavs go for Love but without the #1 pick. Love on the Cavs make no sense unless LBJ is there so fat chance. I still think Love is worth the no1 though

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