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Old 06-27-2008, 08:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The Spurs aren't going to get any younger. The Lakers are about the saddest team from the west to make the Finals in decades. The Jazz didn't really scare anyone as much as they did the year before, and the Hornets simply have the best guy in the league, but hardly a golden cast around him. There's no team in the mix that makes us less of a contender. It's all about the parity, and the move to get O'Neal was all about getting into that mix.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Wow sj

i thought u would like it more if there was a Eddy curry and zack randolfph better:P
Yes mock the love for those oafs - but SJ's still 100 percent right, and it's not like he's even close to going out on a limb. It is very much like how many of us saw Boston. There's just a desire to miss the obvious for some reason. I did it myself with Boston. I can't explain it. But obvious is still obvious.
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Old 06-28-2008, 12:58 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Exactly what we all said about Boston.

Think about it.

In the last week or so I have read countless post about how Calderon had better improve now, even though he a top 5 PG in the league.

I've heard how ONeal is finished, even though he is almost 100% rehabbed, and still has 6 minths to gain strength.

Bosh is Bosh.

Bargnani is now shit, and can be traded, even though he played sick or hurt for most of last year while trying to learn to play the hardest position n the NBA at th age of 22....

Parker is amazing, too bad he's going to Greece.....whats that? You mean he's staying, well our 2 guard is shitty, we have a glaring weakness there, Parker is old and shitty. Whats that, oh, you mena he IS going, FUCK, he was our only true defender, intangibles...oh, he's not leaving, for real this time, we better get Pietrus, Parker is shitty.

You all suck balls.

Honestly.

They say Contender because you have three fucking allstar players at key positions, a solid vet two guard and 3 swing that were both in the top 5 in 3pt percentage league wide, a rookie of the year finalist who can only get better, and a fucking 7 foot enigma that can, and will improove, and who scares teams when he is on. And aside from Delfino, pretty much the same bench

If you cannot see this, you're blind.

If your only argument is, what if they get hurt, you're being obtuse.

I ain't saying plan the parade route, I AM saying that should things go as planned, and it's not at ALL a long shot to expect they will, thi steam can be very VERY good.

On emore thing. Watch how much the cour topens up now with Oneal AND Bosh out there for Kapono and pArker and Jose.

Hole sheep shit, its gonna rain

Seriously dude, O'Neal said he was happy to go to a contender. Vecsey said O'Neal was going to a contender.


When the fuck in the last year were we ever a contender? When in the last 6 years were we ever a contender?

41-41 = contender?
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:41 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Nope.

But I think you have to look at it this way, when they say that he is going to a contender, they are factoring the fact that he is one of them.

I'm pretty sure thats what they mean.

Not to mention, most people believe Toronto under achieved last year.
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:50 AM   #25 (permalink)
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See I assumed they were saying we were already a contender and he was just the icing on the cake. lol
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:58 AM   #26 (permalink)
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The Spurs aren't going to get any younger. The Lakers are about the saddest team from the west to make the Finals in decades. The Jazz didn't really scare anyone as much as they did the year before, and the Hornets simply have the best guy in the league, but hardly a golden cast around him. There's no team in the mix that makes us less of a contender. It's all about the parity, and the move to get O'Neal was all about getting into that mix.
Actually, the Spurs are getting younger next year. Barry, Finley, Horry, Mighty Mouse, Kurt Thomas, and Jacque Vaughn are all expiring. I could see them resigning a couple, but for the most part after losing this year because they couldn't keep up with the Lakers' pace, they're definitley going to inject some new blood and give some of their draft picks more PT (though Tiago Splitter just bolted to Spain)

Lakers get Bynum, so they should be better.

Jazz should be an interesting team to watch... I think Boozer/Okur is too soft a frontcourt defensively to win, so it wouldn't surprise me if one of them is moved. If they get improve their defense though, watch out.

New Orleans won 56 games last year so they're definitley legit. They just ran into experience in the Game 7 against San Antonio. I think they could've gave the Lakers and Celtics a good run for their money.

I'm not saying any of these teams blow us out of the water, but I think our weakness at the 2 and 3 and having a generally worse bench than all of them would catch up to us against them.
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Old 06-28-2008, 11:51 AM   #27 (permalink)
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The Spurs aren't going to get any younger. The Lakers are about the saddest team from the west to make the Finals in decades. The Jazz didn't really scare anyone as much as they did the year before, and the Hornets simply have the best guy in the league, but hardly a golden cast around him. There's no team in the mix that makes us less of a contender. It's all about the parity, and the move to get O'Neal was all about getting into that mix.
Are you nuts!? The Lakers were a returning Bynum from injury away from being truly devastating on the court. Instead, they couldn't defend the middle.

It makes a difference if you have a guy like Bynum protecting the paint instead of Ronny Turiaf.
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Old 06-29-2008, 06:10 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I hope Vecsey gets an STD.
why? hes calling us a title contender. i dont know why i really really dont know why, but he is
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Old 06-29-2008, 07:03 PM   #29 (permalink)
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The Spurs aren't going to get any younger. The Lakers are about the saddest team from the west to make the Finals in decades. The Jazz didn't really scare anyone as much as they did the year before, and the Hornets simply have the best guy in the league, but hardly a golden cast around him.
Wow, talk about underrating your opposition. The Lakers destroyed the West and ran into a buzzsaw and the best defence the league has seen in a long time. They had a ton of talent and played great offence but they just werent tough enough overall, not just on the inside. The Lakers were still a great team they just didnt have enough. And if youre basing that theyre the weakest nba finals west team in a while thats because the other ones won the championship, with the shaq/kobe era and some of duncans teams. This Laker team would have kicked the Malone/Payton ones ass, especially if they had Bynum.

Then again, I dont think the Odom at SF experiment will work, so next years Lakers team may start off dysfunctional if they dont trade him for another sf that can shoot.

I think its arguable that this years Jazz team wasnt as good as last years, its hard to tell because of Boozers awful playoffs. Theyre still one of the best teams in the league either way, but they just didnt have the right strategy vs Kobe, and their 2nd best player played awful, so...

And how can you say the Hornets dont have a golden cast around CP? Theyre a huge reason he can play in the system he does. If he doesnt have one of the better shooting PF's in the league who can score in the post and from the outside, and one of the best shooters in the league and a collection of solid role players around him+ a very solid C in the middle who knows if we'd see the same CP we do today. They run pick and roll every play, if they dont have a guy who shoots 50% at the PF position and kills teams on mismatches and postups, and a guy who shoots phenominal and has a super quick release, then CP wouldnt look even close to what he is today IMO. Theyd just trap him every pick and roll and their offence would go caput.

If anything, NOH, LAL, Utah and Portland are the 4 best young teams in the NBA who are gonna control the league in the next 5 years. We're not gonna be in that class until we get one more piece. I like how we're going the route of making our team like the Pistons where all 5 guys on the court can score, are unselfish, and dont necessarily need the limelight. Now if we could only get that good sg/sf then we'll be set for years to come.
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While I think Portland will get there eventually, I do think there's been a bit of premature ejaculation on them lately, especially on RealGM. Half the board there are expecting a top 5-6 seed in the West and 50 wins next year... hell fucking no. Oden will still take a few years to develop into that dominant center and I think keeping Rush and Jack might've suited them better than Bayless (I don't think his apparant attitude problems fit in with the rest of the guys all that well, while Rush would be a solid, defensive SF who's already proven to be a winner... plus keeping Jack as your PG would be good next year while Rudy Fernandez develops) At this point they don't really need a potential star like Bayless, they already have enough big guns with Oden and Roy and Alderidge. Rush would've been a perfect piece to go with those guys.

I think if the Clippers are a lot closer than people think to making some noise, the only reason I'd doubt them is because they're the Clippers and bad things seem to happen to them all the time. They just have to move Maggette to clean up the franchise, and then get a good to servicable PG back. By a season from now I assume they could roll out:

PG
Gordon sophmore year
Thornton
Brand (or a different FA they get to replace him)
Kaman

That's pretty damn good.

Minnesota would've been on their way to a nice future before McFail struck on draft night, lol. Mayo, Jefferson, Foye, Brewer, and another good draft pick next year probably. Now trying to make a Jefferson and Love duo work... it'll probably work as good as Bosh and Bargnani.

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Don't get me wrong - I love the Hornets. I just think they're not at an unbeatable level yet, just like the other teams I mentioned, and I think overall the West is getting weaker, in the sense that there is greater parity overall. Now if we had very strong teams like the three that came out of the West in many years past, teams that pretty much separated themselves clearly over everyone else, then I would say that contender talk is still very premature for the Raps. But I really think that being a contender is not at all that exclusive a club right now. I mean Boston won the big enchilada, and they couldn't keep from looking like they barely belonged in the playoffs, giving up huge leads to start games or the second half, every step of the way in the playoffs.

You might be right about the previous Lakers being worse than this one Thrills. But I think they had an excuse in terms of the shape that Shaq was in, and I don't remember them giving up a 24 point lead. They actually looked really good, although lucky in beating the teams they did to get to the Finals. This year's Lakers didn't face the same kind of Spurs they faced back then.
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