Is Valanciunas where you thought he'd be in his development?

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Old 02-20-2014, 12:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Not doing this necessarily to bitch about JV. We all know he's only 21 and i do think he'll be ok but is anyone else disapointed in his development this season?

I remember in summer league how big, strong and aggressive he was. The dude was a beast, and yes i know it's just summer league. But right now he looks no bigger then last season, his offense is non existent and predictable and his defense is mostly bad. Add to that he blocks less then 1 per game (down from last season in more mpg) which i expected him to be better at this season.

Again, i think he'll be alright but i can't say i'm not disapointed many nights by him right now.

Anyway, is he where you expected him to be 54 games into the season or did you expect a little more consistency?

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Old 02-20-2014, 12:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't know if he's quick enough to simply hang with opponents, or strong enough to be dominant. I feel like alot of vet bigs are over-physical with him, and he just doesn't get the calls yet. Just wait until he's in his late 20s, he'll be a monster
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Expected bigger things from JV this season. His pump fakes and hook shots are getting so predictable.

(Who seen him get blocked by Anthony Davis in the rising stars game lol)
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Old 02-20-2014, 01:21 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm very disappointed and concerned with JV, I've been down on him since mid last season. I still think he can be good, but for a guy who was advertised as high IQ/high motor, I've seen very little indication of that. I've heard tons of excuses, from Bargnani to casey to gay, but things have changed around him with not much impact. He's improved a bit, but nowhere near what you'd expect from a 2nd year guy. He gets overpowered against the strong centers, outrun by the quick ones and struggles against tall guys too

still lots of time, but next season will be pretty critical. He's not a bust by any stretch, but if he's to be an all star center one day, he needs to accelerate the growth. Some will point to guys like hibbert and the like, who took their time, but my concern with JV stems from the fact that he will have to dominate with skill, energy and IQ, because he'll never be the biggest/tallest/strongest guy around. He's a pretty average athlete.
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Old 02-20-2014, 01:32 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm very disappointed and concerned with JV, I've been down on him since mid last season. I still think he can be good, but for a guy who was advertised as high IQ/high motor, I've seen very little indication of that. I've heard tons of excuses, from Bargnani to casey to gay, but things have changed around him with not much impact. He's improved a bit, but nowhere near what you'd expect from a 2nd year guy. He gets overpowered against the strong centers, outrun by the quick ones and struggles against tall guys too

still lots of time, but next season will be pretty critical. He's not a bust by any stretch, but if he's to be an all star center one day, he needs to accelerate the growth. Some will point to guys like hibbert and the like, who took their time, but my concern with JV stems from the fact that he will have to dominate with skill, energy and IQ, because he'll never be the biggest/tallest/strongest guy around. He's a pretty average athlete.
He really needs an offseason so he has the time and energy to really develop his offensive skills... hopefully he spends less time playing and more time practicing this summer.
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Old 02-20-2014, 02:19 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I like JV,wasn't too high on him to begin with because I wanted to see him play NBA talent so he's exceeded my expectations. He should be allowed to play through mistakes more. The only thing I'd say is that he shouldn't be considered "untouchable" anymore (for now)when it comes to trade talks but I think he can be solid for the Raptors moving forward.
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:42 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Pretty disappointed with his performance this season, although he's been collecting some double-doubles. I see quite a big jump back in his defense and offense , he's not even trying to jump to block the shot. His pick'n'roll is gone , most of his points come from a hook shot in the paint and a 10 feet jump shots. His FT % is regressed from the last season. Right now he is playing like a clone of Biedrins, which is not good as Andris never was a top tier Center.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:58 AM   #8 (permalink)
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He's beginning to annoy me. (he's also on my fantasy team lol)

He always looks out of place, ala bargnani. He only ever seems to get a hand on the ball and his body just goes like UP. He can't seem to jump sideways or on an angle it's weird.

It almost feels like he's sh*t his pants and he is moving really uncomfortably out there.

Slogging around, not really in pain or anything but he looks miserable and like he wants to go home.

What gives?
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:03 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Haha, I had a gut feeling a tread will be made about JV and his performances lately (as per last night's game) but in my opinion he just needs to be/act more confident, and let the game come to him (by not being frustrated and playing wisely). I mean the kid's obviously got games under his belt (NBA and in Europe) and is very skillful, but that's what I think is the only way he'll adapt on this team and become consistent threat on both ends of the floor. So yeah basically all mental... Game is coming to him tho, slowly but surely.

and btw, I would much prefer if Valanciunas kinda conceals his emotions a little, especially towards calls? I dislike it alot when a foul is called on him and he starts to whine, complain, shaking head, hands on head....gets annoying even if he's not guilty. Too late and done and it's the NBA. I feel he's gotta realize that and rectify it just by simply staying strong, keeping your head up on the next play and being humble. I'd be fine with his shenanigans if he's been in the NBA for at least 4 years minimum. Showing off your emotions to the refs and or coaches/teammates ain't gonna do shit most of the time especially for JV right now...
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:04 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Not trying to be critical of this guy ... Love his passion for the game, but his pure physical attributes are at best average, thus making the other aspects of BB even more important ... BB IQ, ability to learn from mistakes, aggressiveness and positioning for defensive rebounds, post moves, high motor, etc ... I haven't seen the BB IQ and high motor that was advertised.
He may just be burnt out with too much play in the off-season. He frankly struggles to run the court, and I thought this would be one of his strengths.

Still think he can become a solid starter and a building block on a good contending team ... he clearly will not become a franchise cornerstone as initially advertised.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:19 AM   #11 (permalink)
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What I would love to know is what MU thinks of him. He didn't draft him and I have to think he doesn't view JV as untouchable.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:22 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I think his confidence is shot a bit now and he's played alot of basketball the past couple years. I think he has alot more passion for the game and winning than let's say a Bargnani. He might be one those guys who's hard on himself so when he gets benched he takes it to heart. If Duncan retires after the season,I'd pay him some money to work with Jonas if I were apart of the Raps management. He's still pretty good and young so I haven't given up on him yet.

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Old 02-20-2014, 09:33 AM   #13 (permalink)
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You don't judge a player (esp. like Val) until after his rookie contract. End of story.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:01 AM   #14 (permalink)
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well.. what concerns me, he is only 21 but moves like he is 31. His style of play is old school, but the game is much faster now..

I won't be surprised if he is moved.. not that I think he is bad, it's just that MU didn't draft him
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:06 AM   #15 (permalink)
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What in the hell is going on here lately ... Has perspective gone out the window?

I mean, you guys want him to be a focal point on offence (I guess like Anthony Davis?) but guess what he came to the team as really the 6th or 7th option and when you have guys like Gay, DeRozan, Lowry who can all score in bunches your opportunity to be an effective offensive player and simply grow by trial by fire, becomes incredibly limited. Had he walked into a situation where we are terrible/horrendous and he was the only piece than his growth would be accelerated, however with many other caveats opening up.

Defensively, yeah he gets overpowered because he's nowhere near his physical peak. The guy is just 21. I could be wrong, but men don't hit their physical peak (muscular development and maturity development) until 27. So, what you're looking for is small improvements from year to year.

Again, I don't have a lot of time to really go in depth to post (and I hope someone takes this argument up further), but Tyson Chandler sucked for quite a few years until he became a game changer. Marc Gasol really only came into his own a few years ago and really took a huge step last year as an awesome defensive player. Roy Hibbert, last year, was horrendous to the point that Pacers fans wanted him traded at the beginning of the season and really only became better later. Bynum in his first few seasons, again, was lost and remember, Kobe wanted him dealt.

You're working with bigs and a C. Next to PG, probably the hardest position to learn and hardest position to earn respect with refs.

The kid is RIGHT where he needs to be. Let him work. Let him develop.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:33 AM   #16 (permalink)
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He came in with alot of hype. BC and Casey claiming the switch is always "ON," and Casey claiming his floor is Noah. The switch is not always "ON," and he is not even close to the basketball IQ of Noah.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:41 AM   #17 (permalink)
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He is simply just too inconsistent.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:50 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Trade him, he sucks.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:03 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Nah, he will be a stud. Just needs time. He looks goofy now but he's got the fire.

He will figure it out. This is literally a whole new world for him. Give him a break.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:20 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I like how he has been playing lately, aside from the rebounding. If he can start boarding like he means it, and hit some of those little jumpers like he has been recently, then he'll be doing quite well at this point. I think he's trying to rush his own development a little bit and is falling down mentally as a result. He needs to be happy with a smaller role than he's going to eventually have and stay even keel instead of getting too high and too low from one possession to the next.
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