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Old 01-29-2014, 06:58 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Did Atlanta pulled this guy out of the Serbian prison league.
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Old 01-29-2014, 09:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
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3 things:

1. Ross got robbed.
2. Pero Antic is awesome. If you don't like Pero Antic, then you need to check yourself.
3. Dion Waiters sucks. He's a bad player to have on your team, because your team is not going to win if Dion Waiters is playing a big role on that team.
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:15 PM   #23 (permalink)
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don't they pick rookies and sophomores separately?
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:03 AM   #24 (permalink)
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don't they pick rookies and sophomores separately?
Yeah, there are 9 and 9, then the last two spots are appointed by the coaches (they can be sophs or rooks). Those 20 are pooled and the coaches pick their teams.
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:45 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Did Atlanta pull this guy out of the Serbian prison league.
Pero Antic is not from Serbia. He is from Macedonia.

In Europe he was not bad player, but not as a star. He is already 31 years old. No any chance to improve his game. He is 6 ft 11 in, but he prefer to shoot from three instead of playing near a basket. Weak rebounder.

Lots of rookies / sophmores are much beter than Antic.
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Pero Antic is not from Serbia. He is from Macedonia.

In Europe he was not bad player, but not as a star. He is already 31 years old. No any chance to improve his game. He is 6 ft 11 in, but he prefer to shoot from three instead of playing near a basket. Weak rebounder.

Lots of rookies / sophmores are much beter than Antic.
Macedonians can commit crimes in Serbia.
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In Europe he was not bad player, but not as a star. He is already 31 years old. No any chance to improve his game. He is 6 ft 11 in, but he prefer to shoot from three instead of playing near a basket. Weak rebounder.

Lots of rookies / sophmores are much beter than Antic.
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Old 01-30-2014, 01:25 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Yeah, there are 9 and 9, then the last two spots are appointed by the coaches (they can be sophs or rooks). Those 20 are pooled and the coaches pick their teams.
so quit hating on poor antic, before he comes after you guys

I'm surprised ross didn't make it tbh, he's been better than waiters this season and on a much better team. And he's spectacular and a very good defender for a 2nd year player.

this will help explain why demar makes it to the all star and lowry doesn't ... Lots of inertia with these voters, waiters had a good rookie season and he's still riding that. That's how Bargnani made it to the soph roster despite being awful in his 2nd season.
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Old 01-30-2014, 01:31 PM   #29 (permalink)
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so quit hating on poor antic, before he comes after you guys

I'm surprised ross didn't make it tbh, he's been better than waiters this season and on a much better team. And he's spectacular and a very good defender for a 2nd year player.

this will help explain why demar makes it to the all star and lowry doesn't ... Lots of inertia with these voters, waiters had a good rookie season and he's still riding that. That's how Bargnani made it to the soph roster despite being awful in his 2nd season.
Sure, but Lowry's been much better than DeMar historically, and both improved their games significantly this year. If anything the inertia should tilt in Lowry's favour. It's more the "PPG is a real measure of player worth" craziness that tilts the game in DeMar's favour.
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Sure, but Lowry's been much better than DeMar historically, and both improved their games significantly this year. If anything the inertia should tilt in Lowry's favour. It's more the "PPG is a real measure of player worth" craziness that tilts the game in DeMar's favour.
sort of, he was up and down - never really had a strong season from start to finish. And he was a bit of nutcase. But it's mostly about marketing and perception, we've always promoted demar as the "face" the past two years, with a bit of rudy last summer. Plus, he's a more conventional type, slowly getting better every year, nice guy etc.

And I would definitely not say lowry has been *much* better, last season he was arguably worse.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:55 PM   #31 (permalink)
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sort of, he was up and down - never really had a strong season from start to finish. And he was a bit of nutcase. But it's mostly about marketing and perception, we've always promoted demar as the "face" the past two years, with a bit of rudy last summer. Plus, he's a more conventional type, slowly getting better every year, nice guy etc.

And I would definitely not say lowry has been *much* better, last season he was arguably worse.
Lowry worse than DD? Last season? I'll have some of what you're smoking.

WS/48 .133 to .075 for Kyle.
PER 17.5 to 14.7 for Kyle.
TS% .543 to .523 for Kyle.
TRB% 9.5 to 6.3 for Kyle.
AST% 34.6 to 12.0 for Kyle.
Net ORTG-DRTG +4 to -5 for Kyle.
FTrate: .384 to .347 for Kyle.

DD played more, and took more shots. That's pretty much where DD was better.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:59 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Lol well demar has improved that's all I can say to Dan's stats
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:34 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Lowry worse than DD? Last season? I'll have some of what you're smoking.

WS/48 .133 to .075 for Kyle.
PER 17.5 to 14.7 for Kyle.
TS% .543 to .523 for Kyle.
TRB% 9.5 to 6.3 for Kyle.
AST% 34.6 to 12.0 for Kyle.
Net ORTG-DRTG +4 to -5 for Kyle.
FTrate: .384 to .347 for Kyle.

DD played more, and took more shots. That's pretty much where DD was better.
lowry was pretty terrible the first 4 months, demar was more consistent. He took too many bad shots, but I'm not sure how much of that was his fault.

Demar's advanced stats are dragged down by the combination of high volume/low percentage of shots. But, at least in part, he was asked to carry the load offensively on a team that was pretty terrible in that department until we got gay and he kind of had to take a lot of tough shots. Lowry gambled a lot defensively and his overall attitude and body language sucked. He also played fewer minutes, including a lot of bench minutes against weaker players which will help some of the advanced stats.

So while he may fail when looking through stats, by the eye test (at least as far I'm concerned), I liked demar more than lowry for the most part. And I was a lowry fan more than a demar fan at the start of the season, so you can't blame it on subjectivity. Sometimes the eyes deceive you, but not always.
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Old 02-01-2014, 06:10 PM   #34 (permalink)
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So its ok for Blake Griffin to be in the all star rookie team and take part in the dunk contest in 2011 but its not ok now?
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Old 02-01-2014, 06:35 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Lowry worse than DD? Last season? I'll have some of what you're smoking.

WS/48 .133 to .075 for Kyle.
PER 17.5 to 14.7 for Kyle.
TS% .543 to .523 for Kyle.
TRB% 9.5 to 6.3 for Kyle.
AST% 34.6 to 12.0 for Kyle.
Net ORTG-DRTG +4 to -5 for Kyle.
FTrate: .384 to .347 for Kyle.

DD played more, and took more shots. That's pretty much where DD was better.
Well said.

This season Post RG DD continues to take too many shots and his 3PT has taken a big dip and FG/TS/eFG have taken unfortunate nosedives as well. Granted his passing and rebounding have improved post RG.
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Old 02-01-2014, 07:45 PM   #36 (permalink)
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3 things:

1. Ross got robbed.
2. Pero Antic is awesome. If you don't like Pero Antic, then you need to check yourself.
3. Dion Waiters sucks. He's a bad player to have on your team, because your team is not going to win if Dion Waiters is playing a big role on that team.
Jury's still out on that. You've been very vocal in supporting Kyrie, citing CLE's incompetence as a reason for his (and the team's) struggles. The same could easily be said about Waiters. No, he' s not as good as Kyrie but it might be a bit early to make any absolute statements about him.

Seems like another guy who needs a change of scenery desperately.
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Old 02-01-2014, 07:46 PM   #37 (permalink)
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So its ok for Blake Griffin to be in the all star rookie team and take part in the dunk contest in 2011 but its not ok now?
Blake >>>> Ross
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Old 02-01-2014, 08:11 PM   #38 (permalink)
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So its ok for Blake Griffin to be in the all star rookie team and take part in the dunk contest in 2011 but its not ok now?
It sucks I agree. NBA will always play favorites to "Superstars" and give them everything, while screwing over guys with solid talent that want to make a name for them self during All-Star weekend.
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Old 02-01-2014, 08:22 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Blake >>>> Ross
After that dunk last night on the Manimal I have my doubts about that

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It sucks I agree. NBA will always play favorites to "Superstars" and give them everything, while screwing over guys with solid talent that want to make a name for them self during All-Star weekend.
Still doesn't make sense I mean who doesn't want to watch a slam dunk champ play in an all star game? Probably something stupid the board came up with regards to player "safety".
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After that dunk last night on the Manimal I have my doubts about that



Still doesn't make sense I mean who doesn't want to watch a slam dunk champ play in an all star game? Probably something stupid the board came up with regards to player "safety".
I think they are just trying to give more players exposure during All-Star weekend. I agree that Ross should be able to participate in both the Dunk Competition and the Rookie/Sophomore game, but they must have made some changes and are now only allowing players to participate in 1 event. Either way, we have 3 Raptors representing us this year during the All-Star weekend, so I'm happy. Though it should have been 4 with Lowry over Joe Johnson which we are all still pissed off about.
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