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Old 08-18-2011, 08:42 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I do not remember Bosh being high energy pick and roll guy going after every lose ball or rebound.... Noah on the other hand does just that. Lets put it this way Jonas has Noah's motor and hustle and better FT shooting and finishing at the rim, while Noah at this point is much better defender and rebounder. But given that Jonas is only 19 years old and has all the time in the world to develop better post up moves I think it is not unreasonable to see him as Noah( on defense ) Gasol (on offense )type player.
Well that's odd, because that's basically what made him an all-star.
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:46 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Well that's odd, because that's basically what made him an all-star.
Honestly I think what made him all-star was inflated numbers playing on bad team. He was go to guy and had unlimited touches and minutes. Granted, he had skills to get those numbers but the way he got them it was not even close to the way JV is getting his.
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Well that's odd, because that's basically what made him an all-star.
it certainly wasn't his defence!

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Old 08-19-2011, 01:24 AM   #44 (permalink)
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last thing this team needs is another chris bosh. i hope they are only being compared because Bosh used to be a raptor (therefore the familiarity for comparison)
This team DOESN'T need a perennial all-star big man?

News to me....
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Honestly I think what made him all-star was inflated numbers playing on bad team. He was go to guy and had unlimited touches and minutes. Granted, he had skills to get those numbers but the way he got them it was not even close to the way JV is getting his.
And he avgd. 18 & 9 as the THIRD option on a team that went to the finals.

So.... is he still overrated?
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it certainly wasn't his defence!

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I would agree. His defense was not what stood out when he first made the all-star game. His pick and roll offense and rebounding and hustle is what opened a lot of eyes. The way he got his points was in fact very similar to how JV gets his now. To anyone that thinks otherwise, may I suggest rewatching the east finals from last season. Being the go to guy on a bad team doesn't really lend itself to making the all-star game, or Bargnani would have some hope of making it.
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You can not compare Bosh and Jonas.
First, one is a PF, and another is a C.
Secondly, their playstyles differ too much. Jonas is much more physical, not afraid of contact, and tries to play as close to the basket as he can. I think maybe a quarter of his shots are dunks.
Most of Bosh's shots are from middle range.

On the other hand, Bosh is one of the best players in the NBA, despite having snoop doggy dog constitution : )
Most Raptors fans are overrating weight/power/strentgh, and it is probably Bargnani to blame for this attitude.
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This team DOESN'T need a perennial all-star big man?

News to me....
if you continued reading you would have saw that i wrote we don't need another soft, jump shooting big. all star or no all star.
i want my bigs to actually play like bigs
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if you continued reading you would have saw that i wrote we don't need another soft, jump shooting big. all star or no all star.
i want my bigs to actually play like bigs
You tell him Panda! No more PF's that want to be lebron.
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if you continued reading you would have saw that i wrote we don't need another soft, jump shooting big. all star or no all star.
i want my bigs to actually play like bigs
Bosh was an excellent rebounder for us and he went to the FT line (and converted when he got there) more than almost any other big in the league.

There's a BIG difference between a big like Bosh and a big like Bargs.

I think that you're lumping the 2 into the same group.
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if you continued reading you would have saw that i wrote we don't need another soft, jump shooting big. all star or no all star.
i want my bigs to actually play like bigs
You mean, score, rebound, get to the line?
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You mean, score, rebound, get to the line?
I love how all the emphasis is on offence..... this place is ridiculous in it's double standards.
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Bosh was an excellent rebounder for us and he went to the FT line (and converted when he got there) more than almost any other big in the league.

There's a BIG difference between a big like Bosh and a big like Bargs.

I think that you're lumping the 2 into the same group.
Both have displayed terrible defence.... same group justified.
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I love how all the emphasis is on offence..... this place is ridiculous in it's double standards.
It's about doing various things very well. A big that gets to the line and rebounds on top of just scoring is an asset and likely and All-Star. IMO Bargnani is a better one on one defender then Bosh, and Bosh is better help defender. Both aren't shot blockers either. But overall I'd take Bosh over Bargnani every day of the week. At least at this point I would.
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It's about doing various things very well. A big that gets to the line and rebounds on top of just scoring is an asset and likely and All-Star. IMO Bargnani is a better one on one defender then Bosh, and Bosh is better help defender. Both aren't shot blockers either. But overall I'd take Bosh over Bargnani every day of the week. At least at this point I would.
It's not about Bosh versus Bargnani.... until you made it that! Can you not see that? My man, Panda made a statement about what this team doesn't need but Bosh defenders take it personally. Bosh is not what this team needs. It should be obvious by now but obviously it's not.

Who cares about his scoring, rebounding and FT when this team needs defence worse than a college girl walking the underground tunnels of Carleton U at night. You consistently preach you want a C that can just defend and not do much else to be happy, but you can't see his point which is very similar in nature without being obvious.
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It's not about Bosh versus Bargnani.... until you made it that! Can you not see that? My man, Panda made a statement about what this team doesn't need but Bosh defenders take it personally. Bosh is not what this team needs. It should be obvious by now but obviously it's not.

Who cares about his scoring, rebounding and FT when this team needs defence worse than a college girl walking the underground tunnels of Carleton U at night. You consistently preach you want a C that can just defend and not do much else to be happy, but you can't see his point which is very similar in nature without being obvious.
When did I say that what we need is Bosh? And really, since we need defense why is Bargnani still here? And I'm not a Bosh fan, I just don't hate the guy like most here. You wanna talk about taking things personally, check out most here if Bosh is written about in a positive light. Bosh detrators take things just as personal.

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When did I say that what we need is Bosh? And really, since we need defense why is Bargnani still here? And I'm not a Bosh fan, I just don't hate the guy like most here. You wanna talk about taking things personally, check out most here if Bosh is written about in a positive light. Bosh detrators take things just as personal.
I agree with this post. Maybe it wasn't you that brought Bargnani into the discussion, but Panda made a very strong point about this team (which already includes Bargnani whether one likes it or not) that this team needs a more physical and defensive big if it were to add one. My issue was with how the suggestion that adding Bosh to this team got misconstrued into a question of replacing a player with Bosh. That wasn't what was being discussed.

I obviously don't think as highly as some about Bosh, but in my mind, this team could use a C much more than a soft PF if it were to add a player. In this regard, Panda and I are in agreement. Adding Bosh to this team makes it a playoff team, yes, but not a legitimate contending team. We've seen that Bosh can't carry a team like many players in this league can.... he's not at that level, and he's certainly not going to help our quest for defensive improvement.
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Again with Chris Bosh? Really?

Why is it that we have a hard time of letting this go? The guy is a very good player. End of story.
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It's not about Bosh versus Bargnani.... until you made it that! Can you not see that? My man, Panda made a statement about what this team doesn't need but Bosh defenders take it personally. Bosh is not what this team needs. It should be obvious by now but obviously it's not.

Who cares about his scoring, rebounding and FT when this team needs defence worse than a college girl walking the underground tunnels of Carleton U at night. You consistently preach you want a C that can just defend and not do much else to be happy, but you can't see his point which is very similar in nature without being obvious.
Lord..... the Mavs just won the NBA title with a big man who's ALL offense and very little defense. Sound familiar?

Difference is... the Mavs realized that they had to surround him with strong defensive players to cover his weaknesses... not give him a bunch of no-defense-playing jumpshooters and a C who'd rather play the SG spot.

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And he avgd. 18 & 9 as the THIRD option on a team that went to the finals.

So.... is he still overrated?
i dont think he was overrated as a raptor because he was generally out of the nba spotlight and nba fans outside of toronto essentially based their opinion him on his numbers (which were good) and not necessarily his style of play, etc (due to ignorance and not knowing much about the player from the CANADIAN team). therefore people saw him as simply the bench all-star player that he is (although he has gotten voted as a starter while being a raptor right?)

anyways..I will say he has turned into an 0verrated player since joining the heat.....he recieved a lot of hype and unneccesary/unrealistic expectations when being labelled as a part of the big three, when he isnt even in the same league as the other two superstars on the team...Because of the "big three" tag, the nba fans that had limited knowledge of him probably expected him to perform in the same way and showcase the same talent as the other two....in that sense he has been extremely overrated (which is ONE of the reasons why hes developed a large hate audience....ppl just hate players who are overrated and don't succeed in playing as expected, especially in that spotlight)

His style of play with the Heat hasnt been much different than what he demonstrated as a raptor...i do believe to an extent his numbers were a little bit inflated as a raptor. The 18/9 stats he averaged with the heat are more reflective of his skills and talent level, and i dont think he will become much better of a player than he is now unfortunately for his fanbase..

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