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Ex2k 12-06-2012 01:01 PM

Valanciunas to come off bench? Amir to start? WTF CASEY!
 
This is fucking ridiculous if happens... But Dougie thinks Amir may start and JV sit and no change for Bargs who will remain a starter.

I've had it with Casey.... We SUCK, I'd rather see Ross and JV and ED start and see how we do and develop them further...

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Change coming?

Just doing some tea leaf reading and no one has suggested this anywhere near the record, on or off, but I donít think it would be a surprise if you saw Amir Johnson starting and Jonas Valanciunas coming off the bench. Maybe as early as Friday.

Now, please, for the love all thatís good in the world, do not take this as some huge slight at Valanciunas, he is still good and going to very good and he is not personally to blame for whatís going on. And even the harshest critics would admit heís had a lot of quite good games for a kid 19 games into his career.

But heís also learning and maybe itís easier to learn against second unit guys now.

I still think it was right to start him from the beginning to see what he had and to throw him right into the fire; some nights it worked, some nights it didnít.

But they are at a crucial juncture of the season and I think maybe it wouldnít be that bad an idea.

It might be tough for Dwane to sell to his bosses but thatís part of the job. Itís not like Valanciunas wonít still get his 25 or 28 minutes or whatever it is, theyíll just come later in the game.

And itís certainly not a done deal but I think itís something they should consider.

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But why not the other guy?

Oh, you mean Andrea?

Two reasons:

Whether you like it or not, they need his offence, or at least the threat of it, out there as much as possible.

You may not believe it and, yes, heís had some dreadful shooting nights, but teams do pay major attention to him, still.

It should have been no surprise to any basketball person that Kyle Lowry benefited greatly from Bargnaniís mere presence on the court late in that Sacramento game.

Dwane even mentioned it when the discussion got around to Ed Davisís role in the Kings game.

ďWe needed spacing for Kyle to get to the bucket; Andrea would space the floor for us. Eddie would have been our next option but with (Bargnaniís) three-point shooting, it would space the floor for Kyle to get into the paint because he had it going.Ē

Tell me that doesnít make sense. You canít.

And, if you want your second unit to provide some energy Ė and all good teams do Ė I donít see how Bargnani coming off the bench does that. It doesnít.

And the next time he goes for 25 or 30, youíll agree. For a night at least.

carp 12-06-2012 01:04 PM

they're just trying to take a bit of pressure off JV... makes sense. He's struggling a bit.

FLO 12-06-2012 01:07 PM

JV is taking the blame for the Floor-Spreader. We need that 32% shooting from the Floor-Spreader or else our team won't do shit.

Only the Raptors would throw the future of the franchise under the bus for the Floor-Spreader.

xplode 12-06-2012 01:07 PM

It should have been no surprise to any basketball person that Sacramento benefited greatly from Bargnani’s mere presence on the court late in game.


fixed

FLO 12-06-2012 01:12 PM

I wonder if Spreading the Floor is one of those advanced stats that the Raptors track to justify Bargnani playing anything but garbage minutes?

Beans 12-06-2012 01:20 PM

I think this is just Doug's idea of "shaking shit up".

If this happens then at least there's a chance I might see some beautiful Jose/JV pick-n-rolls that I imagined all summer. :cookie:

0nekhmer 12-06-2012 01:22 PM

I've been noticing this more and more.. why the hell is he using bargs as a 3 point shooter? bargs was never a consistent threat out there. His game is at the high post, and down low against shorter dudes..

MBailey85 12-06-2012 01:23 PM

Wow...I guess we should expect to hear Acy waived and Ross sent to the D-League soon...this is becoming a joke

Blaze 12-06-2012 01:28 PM

This in my mind would be the last straw. Every fan should boo Casey every time his name is mentioned in the openings.

Bargn88 12-06-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 0nekhmer (Post 715762)
I've been noticing this more and more.. why the hell is he using bargs as a 3 point shooter? bargs was never a consistent threat out there. His game is at the high post, and down low against shorter dudes..



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It should have been no surprise to any basketball person that Kyle Lowry benefited greatly from Bargnaniís mere presence on the court late in that Sacramento game.

Dwane even mentioned it when the discussion got around to Ed Davisís role in the Kings game.

ďWe needed spacing for Kyle to get to the bucket; Andrea would space the floor for us. Eddie would have been our next option but with (Bargnaniís) three-point shooting, it would space the floor for Kyle to get into the paint because he had it going.Ē

Tell me that doesnít make sense. You canít.

Right from the article, that's why Casey puts Bargnani at the 3 point line. He's been doing it all year, and it's backfired for the most part, as Bargnani's 3 point shooting has been declining over the years. Yes it did help Lowry get to the bucket with the spacing, but they should put him low post, similar to last year.

FLO 12-06-2012 01:37 PM

So Casey loves using Bargnani and doesn't even make proper use of the guy.

carp 12-06-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FLO (Post 715772)
So Casey loves using Bargnani and doesn't even make proper use of the guy.

that's obvious

creative1mm 12-06-2012 01:43 PM

it's fine guys... he is a rookie, and he aint getting help from Bargs anyway when he is jacking shots from the outside while Val is the only big in there looking to rebound.

he can come in and play with the second unit, get more touches and less fouls
4-15.. at this point does it even matter if he starts or not, he started all year...

jeffb 12-06-2012 01:49 PM

They can get offense from Bargnani off the bench. This notion that Bargnani can only score while starting is fucking ridiculous. Give him 25min off the bench.


Last night our starting PG/SG/SF combined for 69pts/14asts/16reb. Not saying we'll get that every night, but if Davis starts and gets 10pts/9reb in 30min is that so bad. Especially when Bargnani can give us 15ppg off the bench? Our bench is pretty bad unless Amir is hitting 18ft jumpers or Jose takes more than his usual 4 shots. Adding Bargnani to the bench gives us a more balanced attack.


Taking Valanciunas out of the starting lineup is just plain stupid!

creative1mm 12-06-2012 01:50 PM

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They can get offense from Bargnani off the bench. This notion that Bargnani can only score while starting is fucking ridiculous. Give him 25min off the bench.


Last night our starting PG/SG/SF combined for 69pts/14asts/16reb. Not saying we'll get that every night, but if Davis starts and gets 10pts/9reb is that so bad. Especially can give us 15ppg off the bench? Our bench is pretty bad unless Amir is hitting 18ft jumpers or Jose takes more than his usual 4 shots. Adding Bargnani to the bench gives us a more balanced attack.


Taking Valanciunas out of the starting lineup is just plain stupid!
Bargnanni might get traded anyway.. so who cares

jeffb 12-06-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by creative1mm (Post 715781)
Bargnanni might get traded anyway.. so who cares

Might....i'll believe it when i see it.

ERaz 12-06-2012 01:56 PM

I think they (i.e. Casey) are pretending to think highly of Andrea. Just can't lower his trade value any more than it already is.

xplode 12-06-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by creative1mm (Post 715777)
it's fine guys... he is a rookie, and he aint getting help from Bargs anyway when he is jacking shots from the outside while Val is the only big in there looking to rebound.

he can come in and play with the second unit, get more touches and less fouls
4-15.. at this point does it even matter if he starts or not, he started all year...

+1

and let bargs take more 3's
i dont think raptors will go anywhere when bargs is around
the only way this team will improve is if they trade bargs and it seems like this will not be happening soon anyway

Ex2k 12-06-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ERaz (Post 715785)
I think they (i.e. Casey) are pretending to think highly of Andrea. Just can't lower his trade value any more than it already is.

If you want to keep his trade value from going down even further... he needs to get benched!

pzabby 12-06-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ERaz (Post 715785)
I think they (i.e. Casey) are pretending to think highly of Andrea. Just can't lower his trade value any more than it already is.

this is one very possible aspect we need to consider


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