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Thug 12-23-2012 04:43 PM

Utah Jazz interested in Jose Calderon?
 
Maybe we can grab Millsap off them?

Quote:

With Mo Williams out indefinitely with thumb injury - wouldn't Jose Calderón make some sense?

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Rene_13 12-23-2012 04:52 PM

Milsap for Calderon? Might as well try to get James Harden in a three way.

Not sure what Utah could offer us, but it won't be favours, milsap or Jefferson. Unless they're somehow high on bargs too.

sloppi 12-23-2012 04:54 PM

only if we can package bargnani as well...otherwise, Jose is playing like an all-star at the moment, so i would hesitate to trade him even for Millsap. also, i don't think that Jazz would trade him either way.

Aamir 12-23-2012 05:00 PM

They have plenty of bigs just waiting for playing time. I say we ask for Millsap for Jose, Bargnani. They can play Favors, Kanter and Jefferson while they wait for Bargnani.

:cloud9b:

Kirby 12-23-2012 05:01 PM

Millsap for Jose is fair as of right now. We'd have to find a home for Bargnani for sure.

Either that or Jefferson, since we need a fill-in for C with Jonas out.

Don Vito 12-23-2012 05:23 PM

Who the fuck wants millsap? Hes an expiring and won't sign here. Jose is going to be traded in a package deal with Bargnani.

The MVP of West Hollywood 12-23-2012 05:23 PM

There'd be no point to getting Millsap, he's an upcoming UFA like Calderon. Maybe something like

Calderon
TOR 2013 2nd

for

Mo Williams
Lower of GSW/UTA 1st

Moves Toronto from the mid 30s probably to the 20-25 range

Or

Calderon, Kleiza

for

Mo, Bell

Dumps a 2013-2014 contract

halphbreedballer 12-23-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The MVP of West Hollywood (Post 726782)
There'd be no point to getting Millsap, he's an upcoming UFA like Calderon. Maybe something like

Calderon
TOR 2013 2nd

for

Mo Williams
Lower of GSW/UTA 1st

Moves Toronto from the mid 30s probably to the 20-25 range

Or

Calderon, Kleiza

for

Mo, Bell

Dumps a 2013-2014 contract

Nope we don't make the deal unless we get Millsap IMO

Jose & Bargs

for

Millsap, Mo Williams & 6'6" PG Burks

Alec Burks Stats - Colorado Buffaloes - College Basketball



Even if we can't sign both Millsap & Mo Williams at least we pick up a PG prospect & we dump salaries.

I believe we could keep Millsap though he would be awesome at SF for us!

Aamir 12-23-2012 06:08 PM

Have you guys even seen Millsap play? He's fuckin' good. Better than all of our PF's. So under-rated. He's not a SF btw. You guys love to think players like Josh Smith and Paul Millsap are great at playing the 3 spot lol getting kinda old.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 12-23-2012 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonMughal (Post 726790)
Have you guys even seen Millsap play? He's fuckin' good. Better than all of our PF's. So under-rated. He's not a SF btw. You guys love to think players like Josh Smith and Paul Millsap are great at playing the 3 spot lol getting kinda old.

I have to agree with you. Millsap is a classic PF. Not to mention if he did hypothetically play SF here there'd only be one consistent/decent 3 pt shooter in the starting lineup in KL or if another pg was here.

LX 12-23-2012 06:13 PM

If we can get another team along with Utah and Dallas into a bidding war, that could really work well for us.

Bill Haverchuck 12-23-2012 07:02 PM

We're getting ahead of ourselves. This guy writes for the LA times and was just speculating before knowing how long Mo Williams will be out. Williams seems to think the injury is as when he fucked a ligament back in 2008, but, to my knowledge, an MRI has not confirmed anything yet.

Anyway, if the Jazz were actually interested in doing anything, they probably want to do it fairly soon, because they do it if they wanted to make the playoffs and the race is tight. If Williams is out for a while and they go on a losing streak, they will find it very difficult to get back into the race.

Bill Haverchuck 12-23-2012 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halphbreedballer (Post 726786)
Nope we don't make the deal unless we get Millsap IMO

Jose & Bargs

for

Millsap, Mo Williams & 6'6" PG Burks

Alec Burks Stats - Colorado Buffaloes - College Basketball



Even if we can't sign both Millsap & Mo Williams at least we pick up a PG prospect & we dump salaries.

I believe we could keep Millsap though he would be awesome at SF for us!

No way they do that deal. I alread pointed this out in another thread when another user proposed something similar.

The Jazz are a poor defensive team. They are 24th in defensive rating (points per 100 possessions). Taking Calderon is manageable, especially if Favours gets moved into the starting lineup to improve the D, but taking Bargnani AND Calderon? No. That makes no sense for them at all. It's not like the Lakers situation, where Kobe and Artest are guarding the perimeter in addition to D12 backing them in the paint. Utah does not have the players to compensate for both Caldy and Bargs. Taking both is a terrible move for the Jazz.

Aamir 12-23-2012 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 726819)
No way they do that deal. I alread pointed this out in another thread when another user proposed something similar.

The Jazz are a poor defensive team. They are 24th in defensive rating (points per 100 possessions). Taking Calderon is manageable, especially if Favours gets moved into the starting lineup to improve the D, but taking Bargnani AND Calderon? No. That makes no sense for them at all. It's not like the Lakers situation, where Kobe and Artest are guarding the perimeter in addition to D12 backing them in the paint. Utah does not have the players to compensate for both Caldy and Bargs. Taking both is a terrible move for the Jazz.

This is just making me sad that we have both of them. :cookie:

jeffb 12-23-2012 07:41 PM

Where does it say they have interest?

MikeToronto 12-23-2012 08:17 PM

'Tis all writ on water...

halphbreedballer 12-23-2012 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonMughal (Post 726790)
Have you guys even seen Millsap play? He's fuckin' good. Better than all of our PF's. So under-rated. He's not a SF btw. You guys love to think players like Josh Smith and Paul Millsap are great at playing the 3 spot lol getting kinda old.

Um he has played spot sf his whole time in Utah & he has been there starting sf for most of this season. He has enough speed to keep up with most sf's in the league & not to mention that he has expanded his game to the 3point line...

He is a hybrid pf/sf imo

Plus Utah does not plan to attempt to resign him because there front court is too deep.

Aamir 12-23-2012 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halphbreedballer (Post 726853)
Um he has played spot sf his whole time in Utah & he has been there starting sf for most of this season. He has enough speed to keep up with most sf's in the league & not to mention that he has expanded his game to the 3point line...

He is a hybrid pf/sf imo

Plus Utah does not plan to attempt to resign him because there front court is too deep.

Has he? I haven't watched their games. I just thought it would be common sense to put him as a 4. I don't think he can match up well against other dominant SF's, atleast any better than the ones we have. He's only made 11 threes this year, I wouldn't call him consistent from there. Either way, there's no comparison in which position he plays better. He's a natural 4. I think it's laughable if they have play at the 3 spot, other than situational ofcourse. Point is, if we get him, he's our 4 only.

dfunkie1 12-23-2012 09:05 PM

Hayward would be a nice player to pick-up. He'd be the main player I'd be going after since favours would be out of the question. I like milsap, but he's a free agent and he's gonna get paid.

Also, milsap doesn't play small forward for more than a couple of minutes a game. He's a power forward who plays like a power forward should.

Bill Haverchuck 12-23-2012 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halphbreedballer (Post 726853)
Um he has played spot sf his whole time in Utah & he has been there starting sf for most of this season. He has enough speed to keep up with most sf's in the league & not to mention that he has expanded his game to the 3point line...

He is a hybrid pf/sf imo

Plus Utah does not plan to attempt to resign him because there front court is too deep.

That's false. I don't know why you're saying that. Millsap started maybe 3 or 4 games at SF when they tried using Favours as a starter or Marvin Williams was hurt. But Marvin Williams has been the starting SF in 25 of their 29 games.

I'm not entirely sure you know the difference between an SF and a PF. Positions are not just based on height. You don't just look at the roster and see that Marvin Williams is taller and then assume he is a PF. I'm left to assume you did something like that.


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