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Old 12-23-2012, 09:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Millsap can play some minutes at SF, but it's not his natural positon.
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Millsap for Jose isn't really fair. They'd ask to add Davis into the deal or something. Millsap is a marginal all star, Jose is a marginal starter.
But if it was possible, it's a nobrainer. Heck, just trade Bargnani for an expiring at that point and resign Millsap.
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:51 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Maybe something like Jose for Alec Burks (+Raja Bell and another small expiring) would be more realistic. Burks is in the doghouse there, and he's got serious talent.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:11 PM   #25 (permalink)
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When speculating on Jose's landing spot for a while now I've figured the Jazz; the Lakers have nothing we want that they're willing to offer. (although I would appreciate if someone could enlighten me on how TPEs work and if you can always just make a lopsided trade salary wise and have a TPE make up for it).

Most of what you guys are suggesting is dubious; they're definitely keeping Kanter and Favours (because they know that they'll never compete with their current core. However, the real question is do they trade Millsap or Al Jeff. Jefferson hasn't been playing as well as last year just yet, but the fact is they run so much of their offense through him that losing him would be disastrous for the offensive scheme; Millsap has very few plays run for him and gets a lot of his stats via hustle. With both in contract years I really think Millsap would be the one to get moved and it would be just about the best thing that could happen to us as Jose's salary isn't too far off and we could also get Randy Foye in return. It would look something like Jose + 2nd Rounder for Millsap + Foye. Amnesty Amir (or Bargnani if there are no takers, although I doubt it) and we actually have a shot at keeping Millsap in the offseason.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:34 PM   #26 (permalink)
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When speculating on Jose's landing spot for a while now I've figured the Jazz; the Lakers have nothing we want that they're willing to offer. (although I would appreciate if someone could enlighten me on how TPEs work and if you can always just make a lopsided trade salary wise and have a TPE make up for it).

Most of what you guys are suggesting is dubious; they're definitely keeping Kanter and Favours (because they know that they'll never compete with their current core. However, the real question is do they trade Millsap or Al Jeff. Jefferson hasn't been playing as well as last year just yet, but the fact is they run so much of their offense through him that losing him would be disastrous for the offensive scheme; Millsap has very few plays run for him and gets a lot of his stats via hustle. With both in contract years I really think Millsap would be the one to get moved and it would be just about the best thing that could happen to us as Jose's salary isn't too far off and we could also get Randy Foye in return. It would look something like Jose + 2nd Rounder for Millsap + Foye. Amnesty Amir (or Bargnani if there are no takers, although I doubt it) and we actually have a shot at keeping Millsap in the offseason.
tbh, they have to run it through Jefferson because that's the only thing he really does. He's not ZBO or KG, if you don't play through him he's useless.
His skillset and play style doesn't even fit their system well.

Also, I don't know that Millsap scores most of his points through hustle -- when he was a rookie behind Boozer maybe, he's very skilled now.

I think keeping Millsap makes far more sense, by the way. Millsap fits well with both Kanter and Favors, and you could even play him at 3 a little. And Millsap's just a better rounded player with no serious injury history.
I think in the end it will depend on salary requirements and trade value. I think Millsap will be more expensive to resign. If he's much more expensive, or if he can bring much more in a trade, he's gone.
But if the difference is small, I think they have to keep Millsap.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:37 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Millsap for Jose isn't really fair. They'd ask to add Davis into the deal or something. Millsap is a marginal all star, Jose is a marginal starter.
But if it was possible, it's a nobrainer. Heck, just trade Bargnani for an expiring at that point and resign Millsap.
Utah isn't going to resign Millsap when they have Kanter, Favors & Jefferson Under contract for Next season they Can not afford to have all 4 of them.

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Old 12-24-2012, 01:24 AM   #28 (permalink)
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hayward would be awesome, but i dont see them giving him up.
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Old 12-24-2012, 02:07 AM   #29 (permalink)
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hayward would be awesome, but i dont see them giving him up.
Why not? Marvin Williams has been great for them
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:09 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Utah isn't going to design Millsap when they have Kanter, Favors & Jefferson Under contract for Next season they Can not afford to have all 4 of them.
They don't have Jefferson under contract.
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They don't have Jefferson under contract.
what I am saying There Is no way they dont resign Jefferson.
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what I am saying There Is no way they dont resign Jefferson.
You have no way of knowing that.
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what I am saying There Is no way they dont resign Jefferson.
Very strong possibility considering their depth up front.
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Old 12-25-2012, 09:32 PM   #35 (permalink)
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The Jazz have too much talent at PF/C and not enough minutes. Derrick Favors has shown potential and right now Paul Millsap can net them better assets. Millsap is the odd man out in Utah.
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The Jazz have too much talent at PF/C and not enough minutes. Derrick Favors has shown potential and right now Paul Millsap can net them better assets. Millsap is the odd man out in Utah.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:03 AM   #37 (permalink)
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The Jazz have too much talent at PF/C and not enough minutes. Derrick Favors has shown potential and right now Paul Millsap can net them better assets. Millsap is the odd man out in Utah.
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Thank you. +2
Than Al Jefferson?

Are you guys really so sure about this? I mean, there's nothing wrong with some baseless speculation, we all do it all the time, but come on. You two convinced yourselves that your speculations are facts.

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Why not? Marvin Williams has been great for them
He would have been a great fit here.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:56 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I think Jefferson is more likely to be the guy not resigned, thus allowing Favors to be starting C which is IMO his natural position. Also Jefferson is a ball stopper and bad at defense which are two things it's hard to build around
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:45 PM   #40 (permalink)
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why not ?

jose + barg + a 2nd rd
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millsap + marvin williams + Bell
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