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Old 06-24-2008, 07:13 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Would do this is in a heartbeat.....it is a risk but the potential is high..JO is still relatively young...he easily fits more needs than TJ, Corey and Diaw. I would try to get a swap of picks with Indy though rather than just give up the 17th...
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:37 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Even PTI was talking about this
Its about time. They're a day late but yeah, you know its big when they talk about it because they pretty much ignore 99% of the stuff going on north of the boarder.
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I like the idea of taking a risk and picking up JO - he simply addresses too many of the team needs to not consider it.

What I don't like is using the 3 biggest trading assets we have in one shot. It seems like a lot, even for JO. Swapping the first rounders would be ideal - if Colangelo could pull that off it'd be a coup.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:58 PM   #144 (permalink)
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We'll have to add a filler in this deal anyway..They're basically getting Ford, Rasho, 17th pick, and a Baston/Graham.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:08 PM   #145 (permalink)
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Would do this is in a heartbeat.....it is a risk but the potential is high..JO is still relatively young...he easily fits more needs than TJ, Corey and Diaw. I would try to get a swap of picks with Indy though rather than just give up the 17th...
You mean getting their #11 dgwood?

We'd have to sweeten the pot to get that done too.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:21 PM   #146 (permalink)
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Bargs and Granger swap!!!!!!!! Helps us
We must drug Bird so he will accept!
Seriously now though, I would not mind giving up the 17th..Asking for a swap is a bit too much no?
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:34 PM   #147 (permalink)
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You mean getting their #11 dgwood?

We'd have to sweeten the pot to get that done too.
Sweeten the pot? WTF? So we're suposed to give them a starting PG,Veteran Centre,Graham and #17 and we get injury riddled O'neil and his bloated contract and don't get to swap picks?

They get a starting PG (which they need),an expiring contract(Rasho),a manageable contract (Graham) and our pick.All that and we get a former all star who may or may not be a star again without at least swaping picks?

I wouldn't sweeten shit!Swap or move on!!
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:44 PM   #148 (permalink)
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You mean getting their #11 dgwood?

We'd have to sweeten the pot to get that done too.
Yeah..i know it is a stretch but TJ has proven himself to be more durable over the last 2 years (younger and is less expensive too) than JO so Indy is potentially taking the safer player and saving some cash at the same time.
A swap of picks would even make it more of a no brainer in this kind of scenario.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:49 PM   #149 (permalink)
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I don't care what else we give as long as it's not part of our core just get JO into TO. If that's as much Rasho and Ford can net us then let's fricken pull the damned trigger..
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Sweeten the pot? WTF? So we're suposed to give them a starting PG,Veteran Centre,Graham and #17 and we get injury riddled O'neil and his bloated contract and don't get to swap picks?

They get a starting PG (which they need),an expiring contract(Rasho),a manageable contract (Graham) and our pick.All that and we get a former all star who may or may not be a star again without at least swaping picks?

I wouldn't sweeten shit!Swap or move on!!
Graham is a stiff and the draft is a crap shoot. O'Neal is a six time all-star. If he's healthy he's worth it. If he's healthy.
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Old 06-25-2008, 12:56 AM   #151 (permalink)
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Graham is a stiff and the draft is a crap shoot. O'Neal is a six time all-star. If he's healthy he's worth it. If he's healthy.
That's a pretty big if to give a team 3 players and a draft pick for. And he's been an allstar once in the last four years while missing 130 Games due to injury (is that worth 44 million dollars over the next 2 seasons).
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That's a pretty big if to give a team 3 players and a draft pick for. And he's been an allstar once in the last four years while missing 130 Games due to injury (is that worth 44 million dollars over the next 2 seasons).
You subtracted the games he was suspended for the brawl at The Palace , right?
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That's a pretty big if to give a team 3 players and a draft pick for. And he's been an allstar once in the last four years while missing 130 Games due to injury (is that worth 44 million dollars over the next 2 seasons).
Joey Graham is a stiff. He doesn't add anything to the trade.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:46 AM   #155 (permalink)
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Joey Graham continually being referred to as a "player" when referencing this deal is humorous to me. We wouldn't want to lose everything he brings to the squad, huh? Like donuts and gatorade for after practive. He's a water boy in a uniform, and his inclusion in this deal does nothing but make salaries match.

As for the 17th pick...guess what kind of player 17th picks usually end up being? Joey Grahams!

Anyone who doesn't want to pull the trigger on this deal is seriously overvaluing our assets. Mark my words, whatever combination of players we do end up getting through dealing TJ and Rasho and using or dealing the 17th pick will be no better than Jermaine O' Neal.

TJ's injury concerns are just as serious as JO's, Rasho is very average at best, and a 17th pick is going to have multiple holes in his game.

Again I say, if you don't like the JO deal, present a better option. At this point, there isn't one.
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Old 06-28-2008, 05:47 PM   #156 (permalink)
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You subtracted the games he was suspended for the brawl at The Palace , right?
Bring in Artest and Stephen Jackson to the Raps and it'll be all over for you!:2gunsfiring::sport-smiley-017::aargh::upset::to ngue2:
BTW I think you should change the title of this thread.

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Old 06-28-2008, 06:33 PM   #157 (permalink)
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yeah ... no kidding ... my heart stopped when I first read the title
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Old 06-28-2008, 07:23 PM   #158 (permalink)
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Old 07-03-2008, 11:26 PM   #159 (permalink)
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For some reason reading the below Jermain O'neal Stats just made me

Career highlights
6-time NBA All-Star: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
3-time All-NBA:
Second Team: 2004
Third Team: 2002, 2003
NBA Most Improved Player Award: 2002
NBA Magic Johnson Award: 2004
NBA regular-season leader, blocks: 2001 (228)
Holds Indiana Pacers franchise records for:[5]
Most blocks, game: 10 (January 22, 2003 vs. the Toronto Raptors)
Most blocks, season: 228 (2000–01)
Most rebounds, game, playoffs: 22 (Game 5, 2003 Eastern Conference First Round)
Highest rebounding average, playoff series: 17.5 (2003 Eastern Conference First Round)
Most free throws attempted, game: 25 (January 4, 2005 vs. the Milwaukee Bucks)
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So all of these moves become official on the 9th? That right? The draft moves too?
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