UPDATE: Toronto - Jermaine O'Neal is a Raptor

dgwood77 · 06-24-2008, 06:13 PM

Would do this is in a heartbeat.....it is a risk but the potential is high..JO is still relatively young...he easily fits more needs than TJ, Corey and Diaw. I would try to get a swap of picks with Indy though rather than just give up the 17th...

Apollo · 06-24-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The MVP of West Hollywood

Even PTI was talking about this

Its about time. They're a day late but yeah, you know its big when they talk about it because they pretty much ignore 99% of the stuff going on north of the boarder.

maltmonger · 06-24-2008, 07:18 PM

I like the idea of taking a risk and picking up JO - he simply addresses too many of the team needs to not consider it.

What I don't like is using the 3 biggest trading assets we have in one shot. It seems like a lot, even for JO. Swapping the first rounders would be ideal - if Colangelo could pull that off it'd be a coup.

KirHarold · 06-24-2008, 08:58 PM

We'll have to add a filler in this deal anyway..They're basically getting Ford, Rasho, 17th pick, and a Baston/Graham.

Dr. J. Naismith · 06-24-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dgwood77

Would do this is in a heartbeat.....it is a risk but the potential is high..JO is still relatively young...he easily fits more needs than TJ, Corey and Diaw. I would try to get a swap of picks with Indy though rather than just give up the 17th...

You mean getting their #11 dgwood?

We'd have to sweeten the pot to get that done too.

KirHarold · 06-24-2008, 09:21 PM

Bargs and Granger swap!!!!!!!! Helps us

We must drug Bird so he will accept!
Seriously now though, I would not mind giving up the 17th..Asking for a swap is a bit too much no?

jeffb · 06-24-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. J. Naismith

You mean getting their #11 dgwood?

We'd have to sweeten the pot to get that done too.

Sweeten the pot? WTF? So we're suposed to give them a starting PG,Veteran Centre,Graham and #17 and we get injury riddled O'neil and his bloated contract and don't get to swap picks?

They get a starting PG (which they need),an expiring contract(Rasho),a manageable contract (Graham) and our pick.All that and we get a former all star who may or may not be a star again without at least swaping picks?

I wouldn't sweeten shit!Swap or move on!!

dgwood77 · 06-24-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. J. Naismith

You mean getting their #11 dgwood?

We'd have to sweeten the pot to get that done too.

Yeah..i know it is a stretch but TJ has proven himself to be more durable over the last 2 years (younger and is less expensive too) than JO so Indy is potentially taking the safer player and saving some cash at the same time.
A swap of picks would even make it more of a no brainer in this kind of scenario.

KirHarold · 06-24-2008, 10:49 PM

I don't care what else we give as long as it's not part of our core just get JO into TO. If that's as much Rasho and Ford can net us then let's fricken pull the damned trigger..

Apollo · 06-24-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Sweeten the pot? WTF? So we're suposed to give them a starting PG,Veteran Centre,Graham and #17 and we get injury riddled O'neil and his bloated contract and don't get to swap picks?

They get a starting PG (which they need),an expiring contract(Rasho),a manageable contract (Graham) and our pick.All that and we get a former all star who may or may not be a star again without at least swaping picks?

I wouldn't sweeten shit!Swap or move on!!

Graham is a stiff and the draft is a crap shoot. O'Neal is a six time all-star. If he's healthy he's worth it. If he's healthy.

jeffb · 06-24-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Apollo

Graham is a stiff and the draft is a crap shoot. O'Neal is a six time all-star. If he's healthy he's worth it. If he's healthy.

That's a pretty big if to give a team 3 players and a draft pick for. And he's been an allstar once in the last four years while missing 130 Games due to injury (is that worth 44 million dollars over the next 2 seasons).

**Acie** · 06-25-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

That's a pretty big if to give a team 3 players and a draft pick for. And he's been an allstar once in the last four years while missing 130 Games due to injury (is that worth 44 million dollars over the next 2 seasons).

You subtracted the games he was suspended for the brawl at The Palace , right?

Apollo · 06-25-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

That's a pretty big if to give a team 3 players and a draft pick for. And he's been an allstar once in the last four years while missing 130 Games due to injury (is that worth 44 million dollars over the next 2 seasons).

Joey Graham is a stiff. He doesn't add anything to the trade.

KirHarold · 06-25-2008, 12:47 AM

Cash value

**Adequate Swag** · 06-25-2008, 09:46 AM

Joey Graham continually being referred to as a "player" when referencing this deal is humorous to me. We wouldn't want to lose everything he brings to the squad, huh? Like donuts and gatorade for after practive. He's a water boy in a uniform, and his inclusion in this deal does nothing but make salaries match.

As for the 17th pick...guess what kind of player 17th picks usually end up being? Joey Grahams!

Anyone who doesn't want to pull the trigger on this deal is seriously overvaluing our assets. Mark my words, whatever combination of players we do end up getting through dealing TJ and Rasho and using or dealing the 17th pick will be no better than Jermaine O' Neal.

TJ's injury concerns are just as serious as JO's, Rasho is very average at best, and a 17th pick is going to have multiple holes in his game.

Again I say, if you don't like the JO deal, present a better option. At this point, there isn't one.

KirHarold · 06-28-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ACIEEARL40

You subtracted the games he was suspended for the brawl at The Palace , right?

Bring in Artest and Stephen Jackson to the Raps and it'll be all over for you!

:2gunsfiring:

:sport-smiley-017:

:aargh::upset::to ngue2:

BTW I think you should change the title of this thread.

moremilk · 06-28-2008, 05:33 PM

yeah ... no kidding ... my heart stopped when I first read the title

**lang** · 06-28-2008, 06:23 PM

Title has been updated.

Ex2k · 07-03-2008, 10:26 PM

For some reason reading the below Jermain O'neal Stats just made me

Career highlights
6-time NBA All-Star: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
3-time All-NBA:
Second Team: 2004
Third Team: 2002, 2003
NBA Most Improved Player Award: 2002
NBA Magic Johnson Award: 2004
NBA regular-season leader, blocks: 2001 (228)
Holds Indiana Pacers franchise records for:[5]
Most blocks, game: 10 (January 22, 2003 vs. the Toronto Raptors)
Most blocks, season: 228 (2000–01)
Most rebounds, game, playoffs: 22 (Game 5, 2003 Eastern Conference First Round)
Highest rebounding average, playoff series: 17.5 (2003 Eastern Conference First Round)
Most free throws attempted, game: 25 (January 4, 2005 vs. the Milwaukee Bucks)

thriller92 · 07-03-2008, 11:55 PM

So all of these moves become official on the 9th? That right? The draft moves too?

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06-24-2008, 06:13 PM	#141 (permalink)
dgwood77 is dead inside. Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 14 Representing:	Would do this is in a heartbeat.....it is a risk but the potential is high..JO is still relatively young...he easily fits more needs than TJ, Corey and Diaw. I would try to get a swap of picks with Indy though rather than just give up the 17th...

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maltmonger is listening to The Hip. pro beer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oakville Posts: 295 Representing:	I like the idea of taking a risk and picking up JO - he simply addresses too many of the team needs to not consider it. What I don't like is using the 3 biggest trading assets we have in one shot. It seems like a lot, even for JO. Swapping the first rounders would be ideal - if Colangelo could pull that off it'd be a coup.

06-24-2008, 08:58 PM	#144 (permalink)
KirHarold is alive inside. Amir Johnson! Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,660 Representing:	We'll have to add a filler in this deal anyway..They're basically getting Ford, Rasho, 17th pick, and a Baston/Graham.

06-24-2008, 09:21 PM	#146 (permalink)
KirHarold is alive inside. Amir Johnson! Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,660 Representing:	Bargs and Granger swap!!!!!!!! Helps us We must drug Bird so he will accept! Seriously now though, I would not mind giving up the 17th..Asking for a swap is a bit too much no?

06-24-2008, 10:49 PM	#149 (permalink)
KirHarold is alive inside. Amir Johnson! Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,660 Representing:	I don't care what else we give as long as it's not part of our core just get JO into TO. If that's as much Rasho and Ford can net us then let's fricken pull the damned trigger..

06-25-2008, 12:47 AM	#154 (permalink)
KirHarold is alive inside. Amir Johnson! Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,660 Representing:	Cash value

06-25-2008, 09:46 AM	#155 (permalink)
Adequate Swag is dead inside. RF Affiliate Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 531 Representing:	Joey Graham continually being referred to as a "player" when referencing this deal is humorous to me. We wouldn't want to lose everything he brings to the squad, huh? Like donuts and gatorade for after practive. He's a water boy in a uniform, and his inclusion in this deal does nothing but make salaries match. As for the 17th pick...guess what kind of player 17th picks usually end up being? Joey Grahams! Anyone who doesn't want to pull the trigger on this deal is seriously overvaluing our assets. Mark my words, whatever combination of players we do end up getting through dealing TJ and Rasho and using or dealing the 17th pick will be no better than Jermaine O' Neal. TJ's injury concerns are just as serious as JO's, Rasho is very average at best, and a 17th pick is going to have multiple holes in his game. Again I say, if you don't like the JO deal, present a better option. At this point, there isn't one.

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moremilk is whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 4,911 Representing:	yeah ... no kidding ... my heart stopped when I first read the title

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Ex2k is Furiousss Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,774 Representing:	For some reason reading the below Jermain O'neal Stats just made me Career highlights 6-time NBA All-Star: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 3-time All-NBA: Second Team: 2004 Third Team: 2002, 2003 NBA Most Improved Player Award: 2002 NBA Magic Johnson Award: 2004 NBA regular-season leader, blocks: 2001 (228) Holds Indiana Pacers franchise records for:[5] Most blocks, game: 10 (January 22, 2003 vs. the Toronto Raptors) Most blocks, season: 228 (2000–01) Most rebounds, game, playoffs: 22 (Game 5, 2003 Eastern Conference First Round) Highest rebounding average, playoff series: 17.5 (2003 Eastern Conference First Round) Most free throws attempted, game: 25 (January 4, 2005 vs. the Milwaukee Bucks)

07-03-2008, 11:55 PM	#160 (permalink)
thriller92 is thinking about whats to come. Calderon has eyes Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ottawa Posts: 4,880 Representing:	So all of these moves become official on the 9th? That right? The draft moves too?