UPDATE: Toronto - Jermaine O'Neal is a Raptor

Apollo · 06-23-2008, 08:05 PM

But Ford is still currently on the team. For him to leave the Raptors would have to take back equal cap value or pretty close anyway. So his cap figure stays on there.

$15,779,912 (Bosh) + $8,500,000 (equal to Ford's contract) + $6,212,960 (Kapono) = $30,492,872

Thats excluding Joey Graham's $3,441,104 and Andrea Bargnani's $6,527,490 team option. If Graham isn't back then still thats not enough cap space to do anything of significance.

Gurk · 06-23-2008, 08:20 PM

I am all in for this deal:

T.J. Ford
Rasho Nesterovic
Joey Graham
#17 pick

for

Jermaine O'Neal

Love this trade jus imagine the backcourt of Chris Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal and if the Raptors can get a Small Forward in Free Agency the Raptors will be in the thick of the east

Raptors Line-up

PG- Jose Calderon/ Roko Ukic
SG- Anthony Parker/ Carlos Delfino
SF- Jamario Moon/ Jason Kapono/ FA
PF- Chris Bosh/ Andrea Bargnani/ Kris Humphries(if he comes back)/ Maceo Baston
C- Jermaine O'Neal/ Andrea Bargnani/ Maceo Baston

Add some more players through a couple of minor trades or the Free Agency and you have a good playoff team that can go far.

Apollo · 06-23-2008, 08:24 PM

I'd rather them spend their money in free agency on a backup PG. Or split the money between a PG and a wing.

moremilk · 06-23-2008, 08:25 PM

don't overlook JO's interior defense. A guy like magetter will only bring you offense -but with JO, our defense will be much improved too. And it will free Bosh on offense - which could mean 24ppg+ for CB4. The more I think about it, the more I love this deal.

However, I thought there's a rule in the league that you can't trade your 1st round pick two years in a row, isn't that still in effect?

Apollo · 06-23-2008, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moremilk

However, I thought there's a rule in the league that you can't trade your 1st round pick two years in a row, isn't that still in effect?

That is correct, they can't trade their 1st round pick two years in a row but theres no rule against them selecting the guy the Pacers want with the pick and then pulling the trigger on the trade.

moremilk · 06-23-2008, 08:54 PM

ok - so that means that we can't trade for O'Neal until AFTER the draft?

Apollo · 06-23-2008, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moremilk

ok - so that means that we can't trade for O'Neal until AFTER the draft?

It means they can't trade for O'Neal until after the Raptors make the 17th overall selection. Anyway, it sounds like its not going to happen now:

Quote:

Talks between the Toronto Raptors and Indiana Pacers about a trade that would have included Jermaine O’Neal and T.J. Ford fell apart on Monday afternoon, a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations said.

For the past two days, Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo had been pushing the idea of sending Ford, Rasho Nesterovic and the No. 17 pick in Thursday’s draft for O’Neal. For a few hours on Monday, there was a sense that the deal was close, but ultimately concerns over the damaged state of O’Neal and Ford were too much to consummate the trade.

Yahoo! Sports

Ex2k · 06-23-2008, 09:18 PM

Injury Prone Ford For Injury Prone O'neal...

Pull The Trigger!

**fancylad** · 06-23-2008, 09:38 PM

damn. i was getting excited.

MoRe · 06-23-2008, 10:15 PM

What the hell! That is a bummer and he said they were close. At this rate we are doomed to be out of the 1st round until Bosh leaves.

**Acie** · 06-23-2008, 10:17 PM

If it's too good to be true it probably is.

BTW, Yngwie stinks.

MoRe · 06-23-2008, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACIEEARL40

If it's too good to be true it probably is.

BTW, Yngwie stinks.

Can't stay he stink under any circumstance. You can say you don't like him though. I'd be cool with that.
Celtics deal was too good to be true and it still happened. It has nothing to do with that.

**Acie** · 06-23-2008, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRe

Can't stay he stink under any circumstance. You can say you don't like him though. I'd be cool with that.
Celtics deal was too good to be true and it still happened. It has nothing to do with that.

I was just teasing you.

Good point, but this is the Raptors we're taking about, not the Celtics. We don't catch too many breaks.

moremilk · 06-23-2008, 10:46 PM

The most annoying this about this deal is that probably the deal that actually happen will always be measured against the "what ifs", especially if O'Neal has a great season ...

The MVP of West Hollywood · 06-24-2008, 12:43 AM

I'd go for it

Great interior defender and work well beside Bosh... Plus he's not that old, he's just injured. And I think if he was on a playoff team, he would try harder than what he did this last year in Indiana.

Great salary cap room when he expires in 0'10.

And potentially, we could say fuck you to the Bargnani at C deal. Actually the fact that Colangelo is considered this could be reason for that anyways.

dmbphan041 · 06-24-2008, 01:04 AM

I'd do it only if we can keep the #17 pick.

Maybe TJ, Rasho and ______ (Joey, Humpy, Parker) for JO.

Kuzzy · 06-24-2008, 01:30 AM

Thank god the trade talks over!!!!

moremilk · 06-24-2008, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The MVP of West Hollywood

I'd go for it

Great interior defender and work well beside Bosh... Plus he's not that old, he's just injured. And I think if he was on a playoff team, he would try harder than what he did this last year in Indiana.

Great salary cap room when he expires in 0'10.

And potentially, we could say fuck you to the Bargnani at C deal. Actually the fact that Colangelo is considered this could be reason for that anyways.

lol - Bargnani is 7', so he will be a center or nothing. I'm pretty sure Colangelo has a lot of faith in Bargnani. If anything, this trade will help Andreea develop, because there won't be as much pressure on him to produce at C for a couple of years.

Kuzzy · 06-24-2008, 01:36 AM

just because your 7ft it doesnt mean that has to be your only position

KirHarold · 06-24-2008, 02:13 AM

It's not over..Just wait.

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06-23-2008, 08:05 PM	#101 (permalink)
Apollo is a dick Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,155 Representing:	But Ford is still currently on the team. For him to leave the Raptors would have to take back equal cap value or pretty close anyway. So his cap figure stays on there. $15,779,912 (Bosh) + $8,500,000 (equal to Ford's contract) + $6,212,960 (Kapono) = $30,492,872 Thats excluding Joey Graham's $3,441,104 and Andrea Bargnani's $6,527,490 team option. If Graham isn't back then still thats not enough cap space to do anything of significance.

06-23-2008, 08:20 PM	#102 (permalink)
Gurk is gonna make sure that Rasho wins MVP hot' n' spicy meat-a-ball Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Home Posts: 13,456 Representing:	I am all in for this deal: T.J. Ford Rasho Nesterovic Joey Graham #17 pick for Jermaine O'Neal Love this trade jus imagine the backcourt of Chris Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal and if the Raptors can get a Small Forward in Free Agency the Raptors will be in the thick of the east Raptors Line-up PG- Jose Calderon/ Roko Ukic SG- Anthony Parker/ Carlos Delfino SF- Jamario Moon/ Jason Kapono/ FA PF- Chris Bosh/ Andrea Bargnani/ Kris Humphries(if he comes back)/ Maceo Baston C- Jermaine O'Neal/ Andrea Bargnani/ Maceo Baston Add some more players through a couple of minor trades or the Free Agency and you have a good playoff team that can go far.

06-23-2008, 08:24 PM	#103 (permalink)
Apollo is a dick Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,155 Representing:	I'd rather them spend their money in free agency on a backup PG. Or split the money between a PG and a wing.

06-23-2008, 08:25 PM	#104 (permalink)
moremilk is whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 4,899 Representing:	don't overlook JO's interior defense. A guy like magetter will only bring you offense -but with JO, our defense will be much improved too. And it will free Bosh on offense - which could mean 24ppg+ for CB4. The more I think about it, the more I love this deal. However, I thought there's a rule in the league that you can't trade your 1st round pick two years in a row, isn't that still in effect?

06-23-2008, 08:54 PM	#106 (permalink)
moremilk is whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 4,899 Representing:	ok - so that means that we can't trade for O'Neal until AFTER the draft?

06-23-2008, 09:18 PM	#108 (permalink)
Ex2k is Furiousss Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,734 Representing:	Injury Prone Ford For Injury Prone O'neal... Pull The Trigger!

06-23-2008, 09:38 PM	#109 (permalink)
fancylad is having less Olympic withdrawal seizures Oi! Oi! Oi! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto city Posts: 7,907 Representing:	damn. i was getting excited.

06-23-2008, 10:15 PM	#110 (permalink)
MoRe is dead inside. Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 12 Representing:	What the hell! That is a bummer and he said they were close. At this rate we are doomed to be out of the 1st round until Bosh leaves.

06-23-2008, 10:17 PM	#111 (permalink)
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06-23-2008, 10:46 PM	#114 (permalink)
moremilk is whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 4,899 Representing:	The most annoying this about this deal is that probably the deal that actually happen will always be measured against the "what ifs", especially if O'Neal has a great season ...

06-24-2008, 12:43 AM	#115 (permalink)
The MVP of West Hollywood is it's so cold in the d Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,139 Representing:	I'd go for it Great interior defender and work well beside Bosh... Plus he's not that old, he's just injured. And I think if he was on a playoff team, he would try harder than what he did this last year in Indiana. Great salary cap room when he expires in 0'10. And potentially, we could say fuck you to the Bargnani at C deal. Actually the fact that Colangelo is considered this could be reason for that anyways.

06-24-2008, 01:04 AM	#116 (permalink)
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06-24-2008, 01:30 AM	#117 (permalink)
Kuzzy is The raptors STILL live and die by the J Say NO to J.O ! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 1,559 Representing:	Thank god the trade talks over!!!!

06-24-2008, 01:36 AM	#119 (permalink)
Kuzzy is The raptors STILL live and die by the J Say NO to J.O ! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 1,559 Representing:	just because your 7ft it doesnt mean that has to be your only position

06-24-2008, 02:13 AM	#120 (permalink)
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