UPDATE: Toronto - Jermaine O'Neal is a Raptor

Dr. J. Naismith · 06-23-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuzzy

big what-if

Yes, it is if we deal for Diaw. Do we really think he can bring back the form from a couple years ago or was that season a crap shoot?

With Jermaine you know what your getting. A second scoring option, a great rebounder and a guy that can play some wicked interior defense. Everything that we lacked for the past couple seasons.

Kuzzy · 06-23-2008, 04:34 PM

Both the Diaw and Oneal deal suck ass,
but i just have a bad feeling about Oneal

jeffb · 06-23-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge

I looked into the history.

Dude aint a lemon at all, he's had a bit of bad luck. Missed 30 games due to Smacking dudes around in Detroit. And a bad knee, which has been fixed.

Gimme a break.

And yes, he is a massive dude now, he is a great center. Hell people are so short minded, I remember people complaining that he was too big for Bosh in the post, heh.

Bad luck? Missing 130 games in 4 seasons is alot more than bad luck.And a knee problem for a 260lbs NBA centre could be lingering and a big issue at any point!

MangoKidHoops · 06-23-2008, 04:36 PM

Is this what's gonna happen? Roll out Bargs, O'Neal and Bosh? Huh... interesting.

Superjudge · 06-23-2008, 04:37 PM

So could a hangnail.

So too could an allegic reaction to Shrimp.

His knee is fine.

Kuzzy · 06-23-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Bad luck? Missing 130 games in 4 seasons is alot more than bad luck.And a knee problem for a 260lbs NBA centre could be lingering and a big issue at any point!

atleast someone understands

MangoKidHoops · 06-23-2008, 04:39 PM

It's a risk guys.. nothing ventured, nothing gained.. and it's not like it's a huge tie up fiscally.

Superjudge · 06-23-2008, 04:43 PM

http://slamonline.com/online/2008/04...danny-granger/

Enjoy.

Dude is honest and to the point.

Get it done.

I'm all for it.

Kuzzy · 06-23-2008, 04:44 PM

just some raptor fans hungry for a big trade to happen, then 11 months later when we exit 1st round... bitching starts again

jeffb · 06-23-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuzzy

Both the Diaw and Oneal deal suck ass,
but i just have a bad feeling about Oneal

You and me both.I know that this won't be popular here but Maggette at almost 1/3 the price would make more sense when he gives you 22PPG/6RPG!O'neal gives me no indication he can give you 20PPG and no more than 7RPG unless healthy which is suspect at best.When your talking a Knee injury to a "big" that usually slow someone that size down and they're often never the same.

Dr. J. Naismith · 06-23-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuzzy

just some raptor fans hungry for a big trade to happen, then 11 months later when we exit 1st round... bitching starts again

Welcome to professional sports.

Dr. J. Naismith · 06-23-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

You and me both.I know that this won't be popular here but Maggette at almost 1/3 the price would make more sense when he gives you 22PPG/6RPG!O'neal gives me no indication he can give you 20PPG and no more than 7RPG unless healthy which is suspect at best.When your talking a Knee injury to a "big" that usually slow someone that size down and they're often never the same.

Magette fills one void, that being scoring. O'Neal fills three. (scoring, rebounding & defense) Both are just as injury prone as the other. From a financial standpoint I could see your point, but from a talent perspective I unfortunately don't. Sorry

O'Neal Deal > Maggette Deal, in my opinion.

Kuzzy · 06-23-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. J. Naismith

Welcome to professional sports.

Well sometimes the best trade you make, is the trade you don't make.

Superjudge · 06-23-2008, 04:51 PM

1. I'm gonna pull an ego-trip here and say a few of you have no idea what it's like to come back from a major injury.

2. I'm also going to say you're being a bit short sighted if you can't see how a possible 20 and 10 at the C where we got MURDERED last year, is different then 22 and 6 from the 3 position, you need basketball 101.

Notice this much. Nobody in the Biz seems to think Oneal is done, why do you all??

Kuzzy · 06-23-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. J. Naismith

Magette fills one void, that being scoring. O'Neal fills three. (scoring, rebounding & defense) Both are just as injury prone as the other. From a financial standpoint I could see your point, but from a talent perspective I unfortunately don't. Sorry

O'Neal Deal > Maggette Deal, in my opinion.

I think Maggette would be a better deal, so atleast Bargs can still start and we Bargs lovers can still keep our hopes up

jeffb · 06-23-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LyRrAd_Nation

It's a risk guys.. nothing ventured, nothing gained.. and it's not like it's a huge tie up fiscally.

He becomes your highest paid player by far for 2 years (43 million).That for 50 games isn't worth it IMO.And if it doesn't work out,good luck trying to trade an aging Centre with bad a knee making 23 million in 09/10 even if it's an expiring contract. The Pacers have been rumored for two years now trying to trade him and couldn't for several reasons.Main one being his health.

Dr. J. Naismith · 06-23-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuzzy

Well sometimes the best trade you make, is the trade you don't make.

True, but in this case we know a trade is coming. So there's no way to fight this one. Ford is as good as gone by Thursday at the latest. BOOK IT

Dr. J. Naismith · 06-23-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuzzy

I think Maggette would be a better deal, so atleast Bargs can still start and we Bargs lovers can still keep our hopes up

I'm going to ban the next person who continues to blow smoke up Bargs ass. Open your eyes people. :mad:

Kuzzy · 06-23-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge

1. I'm gonna pull an ego-trip here and say a few of you have no idea what it's like to come back from a major injury.

2. I'm also going to say you're being a bit short sighted if you can't see how a possible 20 and 10 at the C where we got MURDERED last year, is different then 22 and 6 from the 3 position, you need basketball 101.

Notice this much. Nobody in the Biz seems to think Oneal is done, why do you all??

well all we can do now is sit and watch to see what happens next season!

Superjudge · 06-23-2008, 04:54 PM

I LOVE Bargnani.

I think he can learn from two more years of 6th man workload.

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06-23-2008, 04:34 PM	#62 (permalink)
Kuzzy is a disappointed raptors fan. Say NO to J.O ! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 1,605 Representing:	Both the Diaw and Oneal deal suck ass, but i just have a bad feeling about Oneal

06-23-2008, 04:36 PM	#64 (permalink)
MangoKidHoops is dead inside. Scarborough, We Go Hard.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sheppard-Meadowvale Posts: 6,470 Representing:	Is this what's gonna happen? Roll out Bargs, O'Neal and Bosh? Huh... interesting.

06-23-2008, 04:37 PM	#65 (permalink)
Superjudge is a Genius Meter. You're a bad guy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I live in Toronto. Posts: 7,372 Representing:	So could a hangnail. So too could an allegic reaction to Shrimp. His knee is fine.

06-23-2008, 04:39 PM	#67 (permalink)
MangoKidHoops is dead inside. Scarborough, We Go Hard.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sheppard-Meadowvale Posts: 6,470 Representing:	It's a risk guys.. nothing ventured, nothing gained.. and it's not like it's a huge tie up fiscally.

06-23-2008, 04:43 PM	#68 (permalink)
Superjudge is a Genius Meter. You're a bad guy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I live in Toronto. Posts: 7,372 Representing:	http://slamonline.com/online/2008/04...danny-granger/ Enjoy. Dude is honest and to the point. Get it done. I'm all for it.

06-23-2008, 04:44 PM	#69 (permalink)
Kuzzy is a disappointed raptors fan. Say NO to J.O ! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 1,605 Representing:	just some raptor fans hungry for a big trade to happen, then 11 months later when we exit 1st round... bitching starts again

06-23-2008, 04:51 PM	#74 (permalink)
Superjudge is a Genius Meter. You're a bad guy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I live in Toronto. Posts: 7,372 Representing:	1. I'm gonna pull an ego-trip here and say a few of you have no idea what it's like to come back from a major injury. 2. I'm also going to say you're being a bit short sighted if you can't see how a possible 20 and 10 at the C where we got MURDERED last year, is different then 22 and 6 from the 3 position, you need basketball 101. Notice this much. Nobody in the Biz seems to think Oneal is done, why do you all??

06-23-2008, 04:54 PM	#80 (permalink)
Superjudge is a Genius Meter. You're a bad guy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I live in Toronto. Posts: 7,372 Representing:	I LOVE Bargnani. I think he can learn from two more years of 6th man workload.