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Old 07-17-2008, 01:18 PM   #83 (permalink)
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I think Dalembert just wanted to become a citizen of this great country!!!!!!(joke)

Seriously though, if he can't take an ear full after that performance against Rasho, then he is a big 7 foot candy ass IMO. However, I doubt this was the case. He was terrible, and deserved to be told so. I don't think he should have been sent home, its not like he came out and publically criticized the team or anything saying we suck and we need to go get some other players (i.e Kobe). Of course there was going to be tension in the locker room when they're losing, if they weren't upset, I would question their integrity and desire to win.

That being said, there's no doubt we weren't ready to COMPETE in the Olympics with this squad, and if they didn't see that coming....at least in the back of their minds, then they were kidding themselves. Unless we were putting out a starting line like:

Dalembert
Anthony
Mendez
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Nash/

We didn't have a prayer....I hate to say it, but its true.....Unless we can get ALL of our BEST talent to go and compete, then we will be lucky to even ever make the games. Even with our best team we would still struggle, IMO.

They will have 4 more years after this to correct this apparent management problem..I hope they use the time wisely.
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Based on conversations Eric's had with various people, this is what he's hearing regarding Dalembert release from the team.

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As Canada gets set for a must-win game against Croatia on Friday, the attention on the team is off the floor, not on it, following Samuel Dalembert’s departure.

There’s a lot of “he said, she said” going on right now though. Nobody - fans or media - really knows what happened with Leo Rautins, Dalembert, and/or the rest of his teammates. The details of how things boiled over have been kept in-house.

However, I may be able to shed some light on the situation.

I spoke with Leo last night - in an exchange of a number of emails. Understandably … he still didn’t get into every single detail — those things should be kept in-house if at all possible … for team unity if nothing else — but he did provide a little more perspective.

I was able to piece together a little more of the story by chatting with others close to the team in Athens, Greece as well.

None of this is meant as a personal attack on Dalembert, but here’s what I was able to learn from some of the conversations I had regarding this soap opera:

Dalembert’s overall commitment has been questioned recently … for reasons like … he’s frequently late; stays out late; doesn’t eat meals with the team. There’s a sense that he had maybe alienated a number of his teammates.

Further to that point, it sounds like not one player said a word about Dalembert’s departure. Nobody. There was a suggestion that some may have even been glad to see him (or his attitude) go.

Why is it that Joel Anthony - the other NBA’er - can fit in and buy in to what’s being preached, but Dalembert apparently couldn’t? Granted, Anthony’s not making $50+ million, but should that matter? Does the money suddenly give Dalembert some sort of free pass to do or say whatever he pleases?

Why is it that Dirk Nowitzki seems to be able to adjust to the international team — going from being a star (and MVP) in the NBA … to being ‘one of the guys’ on the German team — but Dalembert allegedly can’t? Ditto for even a lesser star like Carlos Arroyo and Puerto Rico.

Heck, you could even look at Team USA. Think of all of the attitudes and arrogance that could be present on that club. But if you remember last summer … wasn’t Kobe Bryant a defender, not a scorer? And how many shots did Jason Kidd take?

Guys bought into their roles for the betterment of the team. You didn’t have a rebounder and a shot-blocker jacking up 18-20 footers; not doing what makes him (and his team) best.

Plus, what happened earlier this year when Jerry Colangelo called Amare Stoudemire and invited him to play on the team and the big man hesitated? Well, last I checked, Amare’s not on the team. Unless you’re committed, you’re not wanted. Period.

Dalembert has said - in the past - both privately and to the media that he really likes Leo Rautins and that no coach at any level has done for him what Rautins has. But when confronted with some of the issues that seemed to be disrupting the team and/or upsetting team officials and coaches, Dalembert apparently scoffed at those suggestions and engaged in a heated verbal exchange with Rautins.

This run-in happened on the team bus and those close to the situation said Dalembert swore at Rautins (something the big man later denied) and the coach asked him to get off the bus.

Again, apparently no teammate stood up for Dalembert and some even laughed (openly? I don’t know) when Sam refused to accept the fact that some of his behavior and attitude was possibly hurting the team chemistry on and off the floor.

Rautins told me the door is open for Sam to return to the team … sort of. He stressed that it’s really not his decision. Rautins said the decision to come back or not is up to Dalembert … but only if his teammates want him back. Basically, the coach is allowing his players to decide if they want Dalembert back or not (if Sam is even interested in returning).

I would expect that kind of situation to unfold AFTER this tournament is over though - if Canada qualifies for Beijing; I can’t imagine Dalembert would play again in Athens.

For what it’s worth, I applaud Rautins for taking a stand on this issue. If Dalembert was hurting the team … then it wasn’t worth keeping him around. Any suggestion that Canada Basketball should simply put up with this because Dalembert is their biggest star is ridiculous. Making millions means nothing. If you don’t have the right attitude or approach, why should others automatically cater to that? Is that going to make your program desirable to other players down the road - including other NBA’ers? For example, would Anthony (an NBA’er) want to come back to that kind of environment?

There’s no doubt that this decision sets Canada back quite a bit though.
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Based on conversations Eric's had with various people, this is what he's hearing regarding Dalembert's release from the team.

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Originally Posted by Eric Smith's Blog
As Canada gets set for a must-win game against Croatia on Friday, the attention on the team is off the floor, not on it, following Samuel Dalembert’s departure.

There’s a lot of “he said, she said” going on right now though. Nobody - fans or media - really knows what happened with Leo Rautins, Dalembert, and/or the rest of his teammates. The details of how things boiled over have been kept in-house.

However, I may be able to shed some light on the situation.

I spoke with Leo last night - in an exchange of a number of emails. Understandably … he still didn’t get into every single detail — those things should be kept in-house if at all possible … for team unity if nothing else — but he did provide a little more perspective.

I was able to piece together a little more of the story by chatting with others close to the team in Athens, Greece as well.

None of this is meant as a personal attack on Dalembert, but here’s what I was able to learn from some of the conversations I had regarding this soap opera:

Dalembert’s overall commitment has been questioned recently … for reasons like … he’s frequently late; stays out late; doesn’t eat meals with the team. There’s a sense that he had maybe alienated a number of his teammates.

Further to that point, it sounds like not one player said a word about Dalembert’s departure. Nobody. There was a suggestion that some may have even been glad to see him (or his attitude) go.

Why is it that Joel Anthony - the other NBA’er - can fit in and buy in to what’s being preached, but Dalembert apparently couldn’t? Granted, Anthony’s not making $50+ million, but should that matter? Does the money suddenly give Dalembert some sort of free pass to do or say whatever he pleases?

Why is it that Dirk Nowitzki seems to be able to adjust to the international team — going from being a star (and MVP) in the NBA … to being ‘one of the guys’ on the German team — but Dalembert allegedly can’t? Ditto for even a lesser star like Carlos Arroyo and Puerto Rico.

Heck, you could even look at Team USA. Think of all of the attitudes and arrogance that could be present on that club. But if you remember last summer … wasn’t Kobe Bryant a defender, not a scorer? And how many shots did Jason Kidd take?

Guys bought into their roles for the betterment of the team. You didn’t have a rebounder and a shot-blocker jacking up 18-20 footers; not doing what makes him (and his team) best.

Plus, what happened earlier this year when Jerry Colangelo called Amare Stoudemire and invited him to play on the team and the big man hesitated? Well, last I checked, Amare’s not on the team. Unless you’re committed, you’re not wanted. Period.

Dalembert has said - in the past - both privately and to the media that he really likes Leo Rautins and that no coach at any level has done for him what Rautins has. But when confronted with some of the issues that seemed to be disrupting the team and/or upsetting team officials and coaches, Dalembert apparently scoffed at those suggestions and engaged in a heated verbal exchange with Rautins.

This run-in happened on the team bus and those close to the situation said Dalembert swore at Rautins (something the big man later denied) and the coach asked him to get off the bus.

Again, apparently no teammate stood up for Dalembert and some even laughed (openly? I don’t know) when Sam refused to accept the fact that some of his behavior and attitude was possibly hurting the team chemistry on and off the floor.

Rautins told me the door is open for Sam to return to the team … sort of. He stressed that it’s really not his decision. Rautins said the decision to come back or not is up to Dalembert … but only if his teammates want him back. Basically, the coach is allowing his players to decide if they want Dalembert back or not (if Sam is even interested in returning).

I would expect that kind of situation to unfold AFTER this tournament is over though - if Canada qualifies for Beijing; I can’t imagine Dalembert would play again in Athens.

For what it’s worth, I applaud Rautins for taking a stand on this issue. If Dalembert was hurting the team … then it wasn’t worth keeping him around. Any suggestion that Canada Basketball should simply put up with this because Dalembert is their biggest star is ridiculous. Making millions means nothing. If you don’t have the right attitude or approach, why should others automatically cater to that? Is that going to make your program desirable to other players down the road - including other NBA’ers? For example, would Anthony (an NBA’er) want to come back to that kind of environment?

There’s no doubt that this decision sets Canada back quite a bit though.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/..._the_door.html

Scroll down and read the coments, people in Philladelphia doen't look very surprised about it.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/..._the_door.html

Scroll down and read the coments, people in Philladelphia doen't look very surprised about it.
Thanks rapsfan ... lots of mixed emotions but mostly people ripping Sam a new one. Good to hear.
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Heres Smith opinoin, makes sense to.
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Coaching? That’s an issue. I believe Leo’s contract runs out after the Olympics, or at least comes up for review.

You can argue Xs and Os ‘til you’re blue in the face – I don’t think there was nearly enough creativity in the offence and there’s plenty to discuss about that -- but there are other factors to think about besides plays and substitution patterns.

Like winning. Or being competitive.

No worlds. No Olympics. Nothing better than a fifth in FIBA Americas. That’s not good enough.

And I’m not sure the signal sent by cutting Sam Dalembert in the middle of a tournament is at all good.

Sam may have been the Devil personified (and apparently that’s how the coach painted him in a radio interview Thursday) but if that was the case, shouldn’t something have been done before the qualification tournament was under way? Shouldn’t someone maybe taken him aside when he was allegedly being late to all those meetings and practices and disassociating himself from the team during training camp or the games here? I cannot believe his disruptive behaviour happened only in Germany and Athens. If it did, it should have been dealt with before the Slovenia game, not on the bus to the arena to play Korea.

It was badly handled.
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The hell is freezing over as we speak - Doug Smith is showing some guts?!

Precisely, Doug. Did Dalembert turn evil on the spot there?

BTW, my dad got up at 6 to watch the Croatia game and was very impressed with Ukic. He mentioned crisp passing, solid ball-handling and intelligent decision-making.
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Considering he is 75 and has played/coached basketball for half his life - he is way cool.
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I was pretty happy with Roko as well. From what i saw he totally played within the team. didn't look to do anything more than distribute the ball. He had a good sense of the court and his teammates. Perfect for a backup PG if you ask me. I saw him take one shot which he made.

i posted about the game in the other FIBA thread.
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Thanks rapsfan ... lots of mixed emotions but mostly people ripping Sam a new one. Good to hear.
It's always good to know what the people who know the player think about it.

I've read other news about this, the Dalambert's version:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...a_dispute.html

I think Dalambert didn't do anything really bad, although it's clear that some things weren't the best for the team's chemestry.
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"Now I see why it has been so difficult to get [NBA] guys to play for Canada," he said. "I'm very disappointed. I know how to differentiate business and pleasure. This is children's stuff. I don't throw people under the bus. I don't trash the coach.

"But I read stuff that came from 'a source.' I like people to come forward. I heard that I'm a prima donna. Anyone who knows me knows I don't do that. I said I'd do anything to help raise money for Canada. I had one bad game, and I'm not committed? Please." *
Bang. Take that Leo.
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seriously, maybe he isn't a prima donna, but being the guy who needs all the special things doen't help to avoid that thought.
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Considering he is 75 and has played/coached basketball for half his life - he is way cool.
Im going to assume that he has passed on knowledge to you so I am going to expect you posts to be very intelligent in relation to our beloved sport
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Im going to assume that he has passed on knowledge to you so I am going to expect you posts to be very intelligent in relation to our beloved sport
LOL. I can only assume you are relatively new to the Internet pro basketball boards, especially Raptors-related ones.
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