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Old 11-29-2013, 10:31 PM   #121 (permalink)
T. Ross IS The Phantom Menace.

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If we're moving players to get talent in return i'd expect Derozan to be the first to go. Sell high?
2 things in my opinion.....


1. Has Derozan really peaked?

2. A wing better be coming back somehow some way in a trade for DD. But looking at what's out there, looks like either lateral moves or we lose another asset along with DD to be able to upgrade.

Maybe MU wants to amass a ridiculous amount of assets and see if they can be packaged together for an improvised Celtics big three or to make deals like the Rockets did more recently.
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Old 11-30-2013, 12:42 AM   #122 (permalink)
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2 things in my opinion.....


1. Has Derozan really peaked?

2. A wing better be coming back somehow some way in a trade for DD. But looking at what's out there, looks like either lateral moves or we lose another asset along with DD to be able to upgrade.

Maybe MU wants to amass a ridiculous amount of assets and see if they can be packaged together for an improvised Celtics big three or to make deals like the Rockets did more recently.
Has Lebron peaked? (maybe?) By no means comparing the two, but he has time two get better if he works on his game hard enough

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Old 11-30-2013, 02:02 AM   #123 (permalink)
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Maybe MU wants to amass a ridiculous amount of assets and see if they can be packaged together for an improvised Celtics big three or to make deals like the Rockets did more recently.
asset collection. let's hope can do it as opposed to asset depletion ala bc
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Old 11-30-2013, 02:23 AM   #124 (permalink)
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if the 3pt shooting is for real (he did have long stretches of hot shooting from 3 as early as two years ago), he's a transformed player. Won't be a winning piece until he can do something on D, but offensively he could be a legitimate, elite go to player.
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if the 3pt shooting is for real (he did have long stretches of hot shooting from 3 as early as two years ago), he's a transformed player. Won't be a winning piece until he can do something on D, but offensively he could be a legitimate, elite go to player.
Elite scorer maybe - maybe - maybe - maybe. But just elite on offense as a whole - I don't think he has the necessary handles, passing, bball iq, etc.
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:29 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Usually it is said that local fans over-value their own players. I don't know if that's usually the case here. I think Knicks fans for example may over-value Bargnani this year just looking at his stats. If Demar were somewhere else right now at 9th in scoring in the NBA and shooting shooting 39% from 3, he'd be running with the big dogs in terms of reputation.

Demar has his deficiencies and it's easy to kick him, but some things go ignored like ridiculous durabilty, attitude, work ethic, continued improvement and commitment. If the right trade for him comes along, you jump, but if MU can pull it off so Demar becomes 2nd or 3rd banana and we have a wing player that is a cut above him, then I'm game.
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Old 11-30-2013, 10:38 AM   #127 (permalink)
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Usually it is said that local fans over-value their own players. I don't know if that's usually the case here. I think Knicks fans for example may over-value Bargnani this year just looking at his stats. If Demar were somewhere else right now at 9th in scoring in the NBA and shooting shooting 39% from 3, he'd be running with the big dogs in terms of reputation.

Demar has his deficiencies and it's easy to kick him, but some things go ignored like ridiculous durabilty, attitude, work ethic, continued improvement and commitment. If the right trade for him comes along, you jump, but if MU can pull it off so Demar becomes 2nd or 3rd banana and we have a wing player that is a cut above him, then I'm game.
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Old 11-30-2013, 11:55 AM   #128 (permalink)
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Usually it is said that local fans over-value their own players. I don't know if that's usually the case here. I think Knicks fans for example may over-value Bargnani this year just looking at his stats. If Demar were somewhere else right now at 9th in scoring in the NBA and shooting shooting 39% from 3, he'd be running with the big dogs in terms of reputation.
it's not about that, it's just that any player can go through a short or even long stretch of hot shooting. If he does it for a full season, and especially if he repeats it for another, then he'll get the respect.

I think at least part of it is real though, his long distance shooting does seem to be much improved. We'll see what happens, at least we have something to look up this season ...
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Old 12-01-2013, 08:03 PM   #129 (permalink)
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We are now seeing the negative aspects of the wait and see approach. Gay's value has arguably declined, JV's and Ross' growth has gone slower than it could have if we gave them more mins, and the other teams are ahead in the race to tank.

Masai, sometimes you just gotta take action.

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Old 12-01-2013, 08:27 PM   #130 (permalink)
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We are now seeing the negative aspects of the wait and see approach. Gay's value has arguably declined, JV's and Ross' growth has gone slower than it could have if we gave them more mins, and the other teams are ahead in the race to tank.

Masai, sometimes you just gotta take action.
I know dude, the wait an see approach was horrible IMO. On the bright side the longer we keep this team the more losses which means we're not pushing for playoffs, which would be nice to see but not get us very far
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Old 12-01-2013, 09:56 PM   #131 (permalink)
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We are now seeing the negative aspects of the wait and see approach. Gay's value has arguably declined, JV's and Ross' growth has gone slower than it could have if we gave them more mins, and the other teams are ahead in the race to tank.

Masai, sometimes you just gotta take action.
Well said.
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Old 12-02-2013, 12:33 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Old 12-02-2013, 01:13 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Gay has never had any value this year. If he did he would have been traded already when MU was making early season calls.

Somehow we got a return for Bargs. But I don't believe we can get anything for Gay and that it would cost us a pick or player to unload him.
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Old 12-02-2013, 01:32 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Gay has never had any value this year. If he did he would have been traded already when MU was making early season calls.

Somehow we got a return for Bargs. But I don't believe we can get anything for Gay and that it would cost us a pick or player to unload him.
No way.. According to rumors Detroit tried to low ball MU an offered Charlie V and Stuckey (both are expirings)for Gay, and Masai said no
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:33 PM   #135 (permalink)
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No way.. According to rumors Detroit tried to low ball MU an offered Charlie V and Stuckey (both are expirings)for Gay, and Masai said no
As much as I hate Charlie V, done deal IMO. Or fire Casey, play two more weeks and see what happens, then do it. He's waiting for December 15th I assume.

That trade is deifnately a minus by taking on bad players, but at least its only this year.
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:39 PM   #136 (permalink)
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No way.. According to rumors Detroit tried to low ball MU an offered Charlie V and Stuckey (both are expirings)for Gay, and Masai said no
I still wouldn't touch that offer
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:41 PM   #137 (permalink)
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What?! why not gay is crap
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:48 PM   #138 (permalink)
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we can get better than that
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:50 PM   #139 (permalink)
and that's the bottom line, cause JV said so!!!

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Doubt it. The guy is playing like trash and comes with a huge price tag.
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Doubt it. The guy is playing like trash and comes with a huge price tag.
then we will hold onto him imo
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