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Old 02-17-2014, 12:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I disagree with Masai. The Raptors have played competitively with the league's best since the trade so we won't know how good they are until the playoffs start and if they could advance past the first round(if they make the post season).

My guess why he's saying this now is because he needs an excuse to justify wanting to trade Lowry,the team's best player(without throwing Kyle under the bus),because he probably knows that Lowry's preference and first choice as an upcoming free agent is to explore playing for other teams/market's outside of Toronto.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:32 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I do agree that the weak conference is one thing, but having the 5th toughest schedule to date really needs to also be taken into consideration. I don't see him doing much this week to be honest.
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Old 02-17-2014, 01:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I do agree that the weak conference is one thing, but having the 5th toughest schedule to date really needs to also be taken into consideration. I don't see him doing much this week to be honest.
They had a few good wins against OKC, DAL and some pretty bad losses recently as well LAL, BOS, CHA. We really have to be careful in assesing how good this team is. After MIA and IND, the East is practically a joke. Best case scenario 2nd round exit. We are nowhere near contending for a title. I wouldn't just dump Lowry or DeRozan, but look for some good assets in return. I would have preferred our current team with a top 3 draft pick this year (adding Parker or Wiggins) along with 2015 cap space. Right now, with Lowry and our core and '15 space, we're probably going to be like Atl, good enough for the second round best case for years. Best thing to do is sell high on your current players and stockpile first round picks or young controllable players with upside. Picks can a) either be used to draft or b) used in trades to acquire a good player (i.e. Houston with Harden). If we lose Lowry in 14 summer, I don't mind making a push for Dragic in 15 summer. By then PHX would have resigned Bledsoe and probably eaten up a lot of their space this summer as well.
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They had a few good wins against OKC, DAL and some pretty bad losses recently as well LAL, BOS, CHA. We really have to be careful in assesing how good this team is. After MIA and IND, the East is practically a joke. Best case scenario 2nd round exit. We are nowhere near contending for a title. I wouldn't just dump Lowry or DeRozan, but look for some good assets in return. I would have preferred our current team with a top 3 draft pick this year (adding Parker or Wiggins) along with 2015 cap space. Right now, with Lowry and our core and '15 space, we're probably going to be like Atl, good enough for the second round best case for years. Best thing to do is sell high on your current players and stockpile first round picks or young controllable players with upside. Picks can a) either be used to draft or b) used in trades to acquire a good player (i.e. Houston with Harden). If we lose Lowry in 14 summer, I don't mind making a push for Dragic in 15 summer. By then PHX would have resigned Bledsoe and probably eaten up a lot of their space this summer as well.

Who said we're close to contending? lol

As for being like Atlanta, that would be fine with me as a start. The difference being that Atlanta has never really went for it, they kinda settled for being a pretty good team with some talent but never really looked to really add to their core, go into the tax level and get another star there. They seemed content to exit in the 1st/2nd round. I have a feeling that this organization wouldn't settle for some 45-50 win season and a bunch of second round exit. Still remains to be seen of course but if we get to the 50 win mark for a couple season i see this management going for it aggressively at that point. Gotta get there first. We will not be contending overnight.

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I disagree with Masai. The Raptors have played competitively with the league's best since the trade so we won't know how good they are until the playoffs start and if they could advance past the first round(if they make the post season).

My guess why he's saying this now is because he needs an excuse to justify wanting to trade Lowry,the team's best player(without throwing Kyle under the bus),because he probably knows that Lowry's preference and first choice as an upcoming free agent is to explore playing for other teams/market's outside of Toronto.
He doesn't say, or even hint at wanting to trade Lowry, so there isn't anything to justify. All he's saying is that he isn't settling for what they have now going forward. You probably don't disagree with him.
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Who said we're close to contending? lol

As for being like Atlanta, that would be fine with me as a start. The difference being that Atlanta has never really went for it, they kinda settled for being a pretty good team with some talent but never really looked to really add to their core, go into the tax level and get another star there. They seemed content to exit in the 1st/2nd round. I have a feeling that this organization wouldn't settle for some 45-50 win season and a bunch of second round exit. Still remains to be seen of course but if we get to the 50 win mark for a couple season i see this management going for it aggressively at that point. Gotta get there first. We will not be contending overnight.
I think Atlanta tried to, but you're comment is probably oversimplifying how difficult it is to take that last step. What crippled Atlanta was having to pay their existing guys... which is why it's so important to have cheap talent coming up behind your current core. You can't just have your big three, you have to keep stockpiling assets going forward.
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I think Atlanta tried to, but you're comment is probably oversimplifying how difficult it is to take that last step. What crippled Atlanta was having to pay their existing guys... which is why it's so important to have cheap talent coming up behind your current core. You can't just have your big three, you have to keep stockpiling assets going forward.
Yep. That's what i see happening here. Scouting and not settling for the status quo will be crucial. Atlanta got way too comfortable with guys like Joe Cool and J Smoove. I think the worries that happens here are terribly misplaced.
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I think Atlanta tried to, but you're comment is probably oversimplifying how difficult it is to take that last step. What crippled Atlanta was having to pay their existing guys... which is why it's so important to have cheap talent coming up behind your current core. You can't just have your big three, you have to keep stockpiling assets going forward.
Agree. It's really difficult to take that next step. ATL was eventually hamstrung capwise with Jo, Smith, and Horford. Right now, let's say we re-sign Lowry 4 years 10 million. in 15, the year we have our space, he's looking at 11 million, DeRozan at 9.5 million, and then Amir is going to most likely want a raise as well. Add to that extensions for Patterson and others as well. The following year, DeMar looks like he will opt out, and who knows might even ask for 13-15 million a year as well. In 16, extensions to Ross and Valanciunas as well. There's really not going to be a lot of room to make some big splashes. That's why if we can sell high on certain players and acquire young controllable players with upside while stockpiling first round picks that would be the route to take.
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Look you guys, I don't understand why anyone is worried with Uijiri's position. To be honest he is sounding like a really solid Basketball executive right now. And at the end of the day, if what he is saying is true, he would only pool the trigger for a really favorable deal. A deal that would most likely make most fans happy. A deal that is very very unlikely to happen anyway. So just chill out and enjoy the short term success we are having now, and just hope it can transition into medium term success as well.
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Old 02-17-2014, 03:28 PM   #31 (permalink)
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With the NBA trade deadline three days away, the Knicks continue to try to engage the Raptors in an attempt to acquire point guard Kyle Lowry, according to league sources.




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The Knicks are offering packages including Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton and Beno Udrih, sources say. They have been reluctant to include sharp-shooting rookie Tim Hardaway Jr. or a future first-round draft pick in any deal. One of those two pieces are believed to be a prerequisite for Toronto to consider giving up Lowry.

"It comes down to, can they talk themselves into getting rid of a first-rounder or Hardaway Jr. for Lowry," one league source said.

Recent reports have stated the Raptors in fact are no longer willing to deal Lowry, content to see how the rest of the season plays out. Lowry has been one of Toronto's best players, and dealing him would send a bad message to the fanbase.




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One scenario to keep an eye on here, though, is the possibilty of a three-team deal also involving the Hawks and point guard Jeff Teague. Atlanta has all of its first-round picks in the next four drafts and could conceivably send one to Toronto to satisfy the Raptors' demand for a future draft pick.

League sources say a scenario in which Teague ends up in Toronto, Shumpert goes to Atlanta and Lowry winds up in New York has been discussed. Another scenario could have Teague ending up in New York. The conversations are believed to be preliminary and have not reached an advanced stage.

Grantland's Zach Lowe reported last week that sources told him Hawks GM Danny Ferry "is not in love" with Teague's four-year, $32 million deal. It's unclear if a potential Hawks-Knicks-Raptors deal would return enough talent to Atlanta to justify dealing Teague.

Shumpert, though, could be viewed as a nice piece for Atlanta. Despite his struggles this season, he is still highly regarded by talent evaluators around the league and is still on his rookie contract.

Any deal for Lowry would be a risk for the Knicks because he will be a free agent this summer -- though the risk of losing him wouldn't be as great if the Knicks were involved in a three-team deal and didn't have to part with a first-round pick or Hardaway Jr.

Also, if the Knicks acquire Lowry via a trade, they would be able to exceed the salary cap to re-sign him as a free agent.

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The Knicks are offering packages including Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton and Beno Udrih, sources say. They have been reluctant to include sharp-shooting rookie Tim Hardaway Jr. or a future first-round draft pick in any deal. One of those two pieces are believed to be a prerequisite for Toronto to consider giving up Lowry.
So the Knicks think they can get Lowry for a package of marginal players. Good luck to them.
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Let's get Hardaway, Teague, Knicks 2018 pick

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This is a little like the bible.

Everyone interpreting what he said differently to fit their own opinions and beliefs.
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What he does much better with his words than Bryan, is give an honest representation of his plans, and offer them a real opportunity to impinge upon them. There is a sense of a true partnership to replace any kind of meddling or political positioning anywhere from top to bottom.
This. Very well said.
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What he does much better with his words than Bryan, is give an honest representation of his plans
Really, what are his plans then?
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Aaand I'm blind and didn't see that somebody else posted this.

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Really, what are his plans then?
In a sentence? Is that what you need? Maybe a word like BC would offer? Everything he says relates to his thought process and vision for the team, and he doesn't pare it down to a bumper sticker. That was my whole point. He relates it foremost to the players - the context you excluded by just quoting a fragment of my post - and looks to move forward with the team as a whole fully understanding where they stand. If you and your fanbase aren't sure then maybe eventually you'll get it when they prove capable of beating Cleveland.
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I don't understand why people even want Hardaway.

We have essentially the exact same player in Terrence Ross.
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I don't understand why people even want Hardaway.

We have essentially the exact same player in Terrence Ross.
And Ross is probably the 3rd or 4th most valuable player on the roster.
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