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Old 06-23-2013, 02:49 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Not really with Dennis.. Can't shoot, pass, score or handle the ball well it seems.. he can defend and has size to do it (That's what i got from jeff's vid lol but I don't know much about him..)

43Fg%/40 3PT%/ 83 Ft%


That's not a good shooter to you? That shooting, plus his defense in this shitty draft..........I'd take it and run.
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Not really with Dennis.. Can't shoot, pass, score or handle the ball well it seems.. he can defend and has (arm) size to do it... eventhough he's about 170 lbs (That's what i got from jeff's vid lol but I don't know much about him..)
If you don't know much about him, then how can you say he can't shoot, pass, score, or handle the ball?

I think the video that Jeff showed demonstrated he's pretty advanced in all of these areas as a very young player.
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:34 PM   #23 (permalink)
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This guy know how to play pick and roll very well. This ability let play some offence through JV.
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:03 PM   #24 (permalink)
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would love for them to get a prospect PG,ideally a Shane Larkin but I would love Myck Kabongo here as well..

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Old 06-23-2013, 05:24 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Wonder if MU can swing trading Bargs for a pick this year. If teams view the draft that weak maybe they'll take a flyer on Bargs for 1 year and if he doesn't work out then trade him the following year as an expiring. Might be enticing for some team.

Really is a shame, a young stretch 4 with a boatload if international and NBA experience that should theoretically hit his 3's, mediocre on D and rebounds - theoretically a perfect fit with JV. I can see why BC was enamored but truthfully, I think the NBA game is too fast for AB and he can't react quick enough.

Hopefully MU holds true to his hopes of trading Bargs asap, maybe the Raps will see him gone by Thursday.

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Old 06-23-2013, 05:42 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Hopefully MU holds true to his hopes of trading Bargs asap, maybe the Raps will see him gone by Thursday.
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Old 06-23-2013, 06:00 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Wonder if MU can swing trading Bargs for a pick this year. If teams view the draft that weak maybe they'll take a flyer on Bargs for 1 year and if he doesn't work out then trade him the following year as an expiring. Might be enticing for some team.

Really is a shame, a young stretch 4 with a boatload if international and NBA experience that should theoretically hit his 3's, mediocre on D and rebounds - theoretically a perfect fit with JV. I can see why BC was enamored but truthfully, I think the NBA game is too fast for AB and he can't react quick enough.

Hopefully MU holds true to his hopes of trading Bargs asap, maybe the Raps will see him gone by Thursday.
Bargnani is still a good talent to me,he'll thrive with another franchise. Too much is expected from him here which he simply can't deliver. I also hope the divorce is finalized come Thursday.
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Old 06-23-2013, 06:12 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Maybe Brooklyn would be willing to give up their 22nd pick in order to trade Humphries + filler for Bargs + Fields. This way they would get PF who can score + space the floor for their frontcourt, and a young wing who can defend and take some minutes away from Gerald Wallace whose breaking down. We get a late first and Humphries who is expiring and could help bolster the second unit.

Or maybe we make the Chicago trade, and then flip Boozer to the Nets for assets + Hump?
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Old 06-23-2013, 06:23 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Picking Schroeder would be good, he would be missing the year which means we shall tank. Muwahahaha
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Old 06-23-2013, 06:25 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Picking Schroder would be good, he would be missing the year which means we shall tank. Muwahahaha
This team won't be tanking. Schroeder or not.
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Old 06-23-2013, 06:55 PM   #31 (permalink)
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This team won't be tanking. Schroeder or not.
and thank god for it
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:22 PM   #32 (permalink)
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One thing I don't understand why teams don't do this is draft there 2nd rounder and tell him he has to play his first season in. The d league and that his second year if he plays well will be in the nba.

Now if you get all 30 teams to do this with at least one player you can improve the overall play of the d league while at the same time develop young players and create fan excitement knowing the player will be there

Another idea I have is cap relief. If you have one player in the d league for the whole season you can balloon the cap by that player. So if the cap is 59 million. It would go to 60 million. If you sign another player stash him I'm the d league it goes up to 62 million. Another. 64 million. Tow more players max at 70 million. So in essence your luxury tax is usually at 70 million can up to 80 million dollars.

Plus you can still carry a 15 man roster and have up to four protected play signed to your team that can't be touched by other teams in the d league. So our developing and promoting the d league and creating a true farm system

So your can use other ways to get there salary up without paying the aggressive luxury tax and your creating a competitive farm team whee you could even make prospect trades to other teams.

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Old 06-23-2013, 07:34 PM   #33 (permalink)
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i think some coaches are in the belief that the young inexperienced players will gain more valuable experience in practice going up against NBA talent, getting mentored from vets and being taught by higher level coaches than they would ever get playing in the d-league.

i don't think anyone really views the d-league as the development league. maybe sending more prospects down would make it live up to it's name, but i doubt teams are going to put more faith into until it's at least comparable to the euro-league in terms of talent and competitiveness. probably never ever gonna happen ever.
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Old 06-23-2013, 10:13 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I think players under contract count against the cap, regardless if they are in the d-league or not. The only way to get a player off your cap, afaik, is to send him to europe and send a letter to the league to officially renounce him for the season or something like that. There was an article regarding the mavs and saric, they wanted to draft him, but without the cap penalty involved.
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:01 PM   #35 (permalink)
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No I know that I just don't think they should. Talking about player contracts in d league
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:32 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Arguably one of the most talented drafts in how long and we're gonna go for 8th place to miss out? Fuck.
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:39 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I think players under contract count against the cap, regardless if they are in the d-league or not. The only way to get a player off your cap, afaik, is to send him to europe and send a letter to the league to officially renounce him for the season or something like that. There was an article regarding the mavs and saric, they wanted to draft him, but without the cap penalty involved.
not sure if i'm following this

there's no cap penalty if they're not signed. i don't think there's anything in the CBA that states that getting their initial nba contract is automatic anyways. if the mavs wanted saric, and he wants to spend the year in europe, there's no expense stopping them.
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:43 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Seems like you guys watched the strength bit and then blocked out the weakness bit.
Well the vid says he can only spot and shoot, as soon as he dribbles his shot is terrible, he's weak with the ball - easily stripped-, can't make the simple passes, high T/O cause his passes aren't accurate, doesn't handle well enough (takes one swipe and it's a T/O.), as soon as he has to shoot open shots after the dribble, he can't make them. It seems all it takes is him to handle the ball on a half court set to get him off his game, a PG who when he's not spotting up is his weakness? Thought the point for a PG was to dribble, make accurate passes, to run the offence and also be able shoot off the dribble if left open(Guess Rondo is the only exception, but atleast he can finish at the rim... guess he can develop but I mean what are we getting out of him RIGHT NOW?). Apparently he's only went up against weak opponents as well...

All you need is a pg to get up on him to dribble, and be quick enough to back up and force him to take a jumper, open or not.


I should also clarify that I don't really know him that well. If you've watched him and you think he's better than I 'assume' he is, I'll take your word for it.
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:43 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Arguably one of the most talented drafts in how long and we're gonna go for 8th place to miss out? Fuck.
you'd rather go for 10th?
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:47 PM   #40 (permalink)
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you'd rather go for 10th?
30th obvi.
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