Two Questions that needs to be answered this summer:
Old 06-12-2010, 11:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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BC is a grate GM, I loved the fact that he is not afraid to gamble or make a grate move and most of all he is very capable of correcting his mistakes.

Two Questions that needs to be answered this summer:

1. Built a Contender with or with out Bosh?
2. Should this organization be rebuild?

My take on with Bosh:

Bring in a wing that can defend, shoot the ball, and make plays for others and who is a superstar?

Should BC make a move that will convince Bosh to stay and win a championship team?

- Joe Johnson
- Rudy Gay
- PG upgrade
- Defensive and grit players who could score if need be

I believe that BC is correct when he stated that, this team is close to being a 50 win team which can pass the first round.

I only wished the following:

a. Turk full filled his role, played to his potential instead of doing the following
- Coming to camp in a worst shape of his professional career [First impression is the last impression]
- Instead of complaining about his role, played his hart out [Rebounds, Defence, Assist]
b. If Turk didn’t have his injuries and personal issues – this is something he could not control but it would have defiantly help
c. Chris was not hurt for last part of the season
d. Turk and Chris was in the training camp – more time to Gel
e. Jose was traded away last year for a defensive minded point guard who could shoot the three – He is a good point Guard, who will fit well with a defensive minded team

Can BC pull a trade that will involve bringing Joe Johnson and PG upgrade that could defend, and put pressure on the defence by drive and kick or score?

I think Bosh will stay if we get

1. Joe
2. PG upgrade to fit the team
3. Defensive and grit experience players who could score if need be
4. Trade Turk away and get a good defensive SF [Rudy, Prince, and Yong]
What do you guys think?

Does any of you believe we could be competitive by loosing Bosh, this will ensure no big free agents will ever want to come to Toronto.

1. Not a Winning Organization
2. Rebuilding Mode most part of the life of this organization
3. Will add to the perception, Can not keep its home grown superstars

- Damon stoudamire
- Marcus Campy
- Tracy Mac Grady
- Vince Carter


My take on rebuilding:

This will means whole lot of loosing, this should be the last option and it should be only if Bosh asks for a trade and not willing to sit down with us?

I do believe, we do have the pieces to build around

AB - Say what you, but he is forced to play out of his comfort zone and he is still learning that position. After PG Center position is the hardest in the league, he have improved every single year since he was hear even though he was never the number 2 option in the team. He was number 3.

DD – He has the physical tools, he has the work ethic to go along with it. If he works hard he could easily take over this team and become the 1st or 2nd option in this team. He was the last option in the stating line up and if he improves his jump shot and range, attack the rim at a constant bases and improve his dribble to get to the rim. He will be unstoppable.


I want to know what you people think; I don’t think there is lot of question mark with Bosh sign and trade?

LA Trade – injury concerns
Miami – We need a center, need to involve a lottery team 3 - 6 and get that pick and get a big that could defend. He is really good play but we need a Center who could defend.
Chicago – If not Noah forget any trade proposal with them
New York - No assets avail that could benefit us
Huston – This could work well for us, but I don’t see it happening?

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Old 06-13-2010, 12:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You know what sounds amazing???

Mo Williams
Joe Johnson
Tayshaun Prince
Chris Bosh
Andrea Bargnani

Defence is a bit of a issue, but that's a sick team, eh? Good ideas in your post!
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yeah if Bosh leaves which is looking more and more likely, getting a Center back would be a good idea, Maybe a sign and trade with LA for Bynum & Odom? just an idea.

It would also mean that Andrea could shift back to the 4 which is were he plays, also dont rule out a move for Michael Beasley, dude could be the "Go to guy" if Bosh leaves, I would look into Aquiring Beasley but i know a lot of fans on here will be against it

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IF Dennis Rodman can be controlled and be effective on the court with all issues so can be beasly. The issue is that coch needs to let the players know who is in control.
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I just don't see how Beasley can be dominate in the NBA. I mean, first of all, hes a tweener. Too slight and small to play PF, but not great enough defensively and offensively to play SF. And his shot is pretty bad. The only way I see him making an impact is if he plays like an energy guy.
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I just don't see how Beasley can be dominate in the NBA. I mean, first of all, hes a tweener. Too slight and small to play PF, but not great enough defensively and offensively to play SF. And his shot is pretty bad. The only way I see him making an impact is if he plays like an energy guy.
yeah i agree with this, hes small, a bit like Elton Brand at 6'9 I think Beasley should play at the PF i mean i think he just needs to get out of Miami as they are looking to Move him, But i would be happy if he came here, if we went into Rebiulding Mode which is what a few people on here have said already.
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:08 PM   #7 (permalink)
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just don't see how Beasley can be dominate in the NBA.The only way I see him making an impact is if he plays like an energy guy.

1. He is very good Offensive Player, not many players at his age has the same offiensive skills set that he has. He would thrive in a good and upcoming team, he gets the touches he needs to develp his game and confident.

2. He is not an energy guy, he is far too talented and he is still very yong.


Too slight and small to play PF, but not great enough defensively and offensively to play SF.


He is not small for PF, more than anything he is too quick for a PF and his ball handlling skills are exceptional. He could be a grate fit in a defensive team. He just needs a good coch who will boost his confident by giving him min.


Memphis - Grate Fit
Timperwolfs - they need scoring and he could fit for them
Golden state - They like to run and he could do that very well.
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I just don't see how Beasley can be dominate in the NBA. I mean, first of all, hes a tweener. Too slight and small to play PF, but not great enough defensively and offensively to play SF. And his shot is pretty bad. The only way I see him making an impact is if he plays like an energy guy.
Have you even watch Beasley play more than a hand full of games?

He is a skilled player with crazy hops for a player 6'9" offensivly he will be great the defence has been the biggest issue & also disappearing in games
I would compair him to a more athletic Grand Mama....

But an energy guy like Amir Johnson he is not & he will never be!


I love Beasley's game personally, It's just that with what we have right now unless he can play SF full time we really don't need him!

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Look at it this way, can you guys see Beasley ever being a perenial all-star? I don't. I mean, his value has dropped dramatically this season. Why? Because like I said in my first post, hes a tweener. Name me one player who has been a successful NBA player while being a tweener.
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Oh, and I forgot one more thing: The guy doesn't have a great basketball IQ.
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Look at it this way, can you guys see Beasley ever being a perenial all-star? I don't. I mean, his value has dropped dramatically this season. Why? Because like I said in my first post, hes a tweener. Name me one player who has been a successful NBA player while being a tweener.
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Good comparison, and thats what I imagine what Beasleys career will resemble. Great role player on a successful team, but not a player who can carry the load or be an all-star.
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he has to work on his ball handling and passing if he's going to play the same role as Odom
but with our rebuilding here, he'll have time to improve
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he has to work on his ball handling and passing if he's going to play the same role as Odom
but with our rebuilding here, he'll have time to improve
I agree with this, but the Lamar Odom comparasion to Beasley is spot on
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No way ... Lamar Odom has superior overall talent.
The only comparison resides with them disappearing in games.
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BC is a grate GM, I loved the fact that he is not afraid to gamble or make a grate move and most of all he is very capable of correcting his mistakes.
That was a GRATE post!

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Beasley and Odom do have similar measurables but I don't think their games are comparable. Odom uses his huge wingspan on both sides of the floor, he can guard both forward positions and can create offense for others.

B-EZY is more of a high volume scorer - he needs the ball a lot, but can score consistently with it, from the post, or with his J. On defense though, Beasley hasn't shown anything - who knows if he can cover 3's or 4's, or if he can be a consistent rebounder like in college. What is clear is that he doesn't give a great effort on D, and that he doesn't alter shots (like Odom).

Beasley's indifference to defense makes it difficult for the raptor's to acquire him. If a Bosh/Barg's frontcourt yielded one of the worst interior defenses the league has seen, imagine how awful a B-EZY/Barg's 4-5 combo could be. Only way it makes sense to get him is if BC commits to playing him at SF - which I am not oppose to, I think he is a better fit there, although Riley never viewed him as a 3.
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Look at it this way, can you guys see Beasley ever being a perenial all-star? I don't. I mean, his value has dropped dramatically this season. Why? Because like I said in my first post, hes a tweener. Name me one player who has been a successful NBA player while being a tweener.
Jason Terry. different position, but tweeners come in all sizes and can be useful in the right roles.

Monta Ellis is a tweener too.

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