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Old 03-17-2008, 03:38 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I think BC should dangle Bargs for that swingman we desperately need.
What about Luol Deng?

And trade TJ, Moon and expiring (Garbo) to NY for Quentin Richardson and their pick.

With the pick, select DeAndre Jordan and with our pick, select Tyler Smith

Let Delfino walk...

Next season

C- Rasho/Jordan
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Old 03-17-2008, 03:44 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Im with SWAN, its clear we suck right now, but nothing is working for us right now. This is jus a big slump and its too early to be panicking. if by the end of the season nothing has changed well then theres a reason to panick.
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Old 03-17-2008, 03:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I think Chicago wants to keep Deng

Not crazy about trading TJ and Bargs for a pick that might not work and QRich's shit contract.
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Old 03-17-2008, 04:11 PM   #24 (permalink)
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how much longer do you guys think we should keep this Bargs experiment going?
one more season.. 2 more months... end of this year?
i think BC is way too proud to admit his pick was a bad one...
bargs isnt going anywhere...
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:12 PM   #25 (permalink)
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i think BC is way too proud to admit his pick was a bad one...
bargs isnt going anywhere...
ya. it's got to feel weird for him.

I mean gino was first overall. FIRST OVERALL!

not like he was just a high lottery pick or anything. FIRST OVERALL.


that being said. i still like him and think he could work out.
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:03 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Im with SWAN, its clear we suck right now, but nothing is working for us right now. This is jus a big slump and its too early to be panicking. if by the end of the season nothing has changed well then theres a reason to panick.
the problem with this mentality is that it ignores that by and large, mitchell doesnt really have any kind of proactive approach when it comes to preparing his players.
how many times have you heard players leave the raps and comment as an aside, that one of the things they notice about their new team is that they actually run plays. we might run one or two set plays out of timeouts a game, other than that, high screen and roll, which sometimes ends up looking like a broken play. this happens when you dont have the kind of personnel capable of maximizing the potential this play has for creating open looks for shooters and cuts to the basket.

i still think mitchell is way to reactive and lacks the creativity to counter a coaches moves. quite simply he's been out-thought by opposing coaches, and his lack of preparation and creativity was exposed last year in the playoffs.

chisholm's point about this being the time where sam mitchell either sinks or swims is a valid one. to this point this is the sam mitchell we've seen. whether or not there's anything else there remains to be seen. he's still a young coach. the problem with lenny being this way is that once you're a thousand years old you lack the energy to deal with change. it wears you down.
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:23 PM   #27 (permalink)
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how much longer do you guys think we should keep this Bargs experiment going?
one more season.. 2 more months... end of this year?
i think BC is way too proud to admit his pick was a bad one...
bargs isnt going anywhere...
at the very least 1 season, ideally 2.
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:26 PM   #28 (permalink)
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ya. it's got to feel weird for him.

I mean gino was first overall. FIRST OVERALL!

not like he was just a high lottery pick or anything. FIRST OVERALL.


that being said. i still like him and think he could work out.
In an incredibly weak draft that is

I still don't hate the Bargnani pick. It's not like Dwight Howard got picked 2nd.

For the record I support the decision to go for the high ceiling one of a kind player over Gay and Roy, players we've seen before. It probably didn't work out, but whatever. Bargnani will still be contributer for years to come. I still don't think either of those players are superstars or truly #1 pick worthy either.

I think the pick that really sunk us was not getting Iguodala. Iggy and Bosh? ZOMG.
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Old 03-17-2008, 07:01 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Cling, I'm interested who the players who've left and mentioned this are?

I've heard Charlie V say it's nice to go to a team that runs plays for him (which I've never seen the Bucks actually do), but that's all I can remember.
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Old 03-17-2008, 07:36 PM   #30 (permalink)
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rafer and wince are others i've heard say that as well.
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Old 03-17-2008, 07:43 PM   #31 (permalink)
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i remember the charlie one for sure.

but hell, we don't even need to rely on the quotes form past raptor players. the proof be in the pudding.

very one dimensional is everything about this team - and it's safe to say completely no plan B - As seen in every game that plan A (Chris Bosh) is missing.
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:12 PM   #32 (permalink)
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To survive AS a coach in this league one needs to develop a strategy. Undoubtely strategy comes out of knowing X's and O's and not simply motivational skills.

Great coaches or well very good coaches put both the motivational aspect and the strategy part together. Look at Nate McMillan and Mo Cheeks in Philadelphia (btw, I called it that they would be in the playoffs). Both are very good at motivating their players and both are intelligent strategists. And this is what makes Sam an interesting prospect. He has the motivational aspect down pretty pat. He just hasn't progressed fully in the latter department and as a Sam supporter myself it's become pretty distressing to see that little improvement has been made.

Ideally, what Sam has to do, and in my opinion needs to do as soon as possible is establish an actual rotation. I was speaking with my brother on this and we noticed that there are no clear defined roles for players; and this is troublesome because we are a team comprised largey OF role players. Hump is a good role player but some nights he plays a 7th man role others dnp-cd. Primoz could go from a 10th man to a dnp-cd. Kapono could go from 6th-8th-10th-12th man status on any given night. And the pattern continues. Not only do we lose rythym individually (see shooting), but we lose rhythym as a team. There is no clear direction on any given night as to what our bench is going to do. Sam needs to progress in these areas to take that NEXT step as a head coach. If not, then sadly, we'll have to find someone who can do these things.
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:11 PM   #33 (permalink)
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How can you establish a rotation when you having a revolving door of available players due to injury and of the remaining lot, you never know who's going to show up from game to game?

And again, Charlie said it's nice to go to a team that runs plays for himself. I've watched at least a dozen Bucks games and I've never seen one play run for him. Vince dogged it for Sam for a month and a half in his rookie year as a coach, hardly a qualified opinion and Rafer slagging Sam isn't something I'd put too much weight into either.

Were struggling mightily and it's easy to point fingers in every which direction and panic, but I refuse to do so...
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Old 03-18-2008, 12:20 PM   #34 (permalink)
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We need to be patient. We must remember that we turned it around last year - under Sam - we can do it again. It's too late to change coaching anyway.

Right now we are all frustrated because of the losses. But we have to remember we don't have Bosh, and so the coaching staff is panicking and still trying to find the right adjustments, and doing a lousy job. But the players are also not delivering - shooting a lousy 50% or less. They're playing like they still have Bosh to help score. Calderon needs to drive and shoot more and pick up some of the slack. The same for everyone else.

Sam needs to remind them of that, but also he needs to come up with an identity for this team. Bosh is important to the team, but with/without him we don't really have an identity on offense, much less defense. The Suns were famous for fast-breaks, and it took them a while to adjust with the addition of Shaq. Utah are famous for the pick and roll. We have nothing. But, also, there's no reason why Humphries/Graham/Bargs can't fill in for Bosh's post-up play. We're not lacking the able players, we're just lacking in a playing scheme that the team can live on. That is the responsibility of the coaching staff to drill it.
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:25 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I'm not asking for a change. What I'm asking for is improvement. Yes we improved under Sam but it's getting to look like that improvement was primarily caused by an influx of talent that Sam never had. The question now needs to be is: as the talent is now assembled are we getting the optimum level of performance by them under this head coaching regime and therefore are the players assembled for this team not a good collection? OR are the players on this team underperforming and is this due to the coaching staff?

If it's the former then that will be fixed by talent. If it is the latter then the coaching staff is to fault. If we're not improving we're stagnating and stagnating is the worst possible situation to be in.

Again, I'm not advocating a switch in coaching, well just yet at least, what I'm advocating for is if we continue like this let's say till about January of next year, is it time to pull the plug on this experiement and bring in another coach? I think that's the decision that BC is going to have to make. It's a decision every GM in this league has to make I say every season.
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:43 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Have we got all that we can out of Sam and/or the players?? Good points, Claudius. I'm leaning towards the coaching staff. We may need to shuffle that area in the off season if we don't improve, from our best, in the past 2 years.
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