TSN Broadcast Quality
Old 01-08-2011, 02:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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TSN's HD Raptor's games have become so pixelated that they are unwatchable...is it my cable company [Cogeco] or TSN? Is anyone else experiencing this? I'm now forced to view the games on "low-def". Thanx, in advance, for your input.
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Old 01-08-2011, 02:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It's Cogeco. Their network - infrastructure or whatever - is so compressed that any movement causes that crap. I hate it. Very rarely do you see a true HD channel. Sometimes late at night, CBC News will be crystal clear. It's amazing. And it's sad that we don't get to see that very often.
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Old 01-08-2011, 02:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I PVR'd the game on Cogeco HD last night and it was fine.
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Old 01-08-2011, 03:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm with Rogers and i find TSN HD clearer then Sportsnet HD.
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I PVR'd the game on Cogeco HD last night and it was fine.
Same here.
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I'm with Rogers and i find TSN HD clearer then Sportsnet HD.
I dont notice the difference
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I dont notice the difference
It's not a huge difference, but i find TSN a little more clear.
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TSN's HD Raptor's games have become so pixelated that they are unwatchable...is it my cable company [Cogeco] or TSN? Is anyone else experiencing this? I'm now forced to view the games on "low-def". Thanx, in advance, for your input.
What is your digital cable box settings?

If it's 720p then you will get massive pixel problems if you have an hd tv
If it's 1080i then I think u might want to get a different box
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Old 01-08-2011, 04:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Also, what kind of cables do you used (ie: HDMI?)
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Old 01-08-2011, 04:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The Houston Vs. Orlando game was in horrible quality last night, I couldn't watch it.
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Old 01-08-2011, 04:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The Houston Vs. Orlando game was in horrible quality last night, I couldn't watch it.
It's wierd, the clearest games to watch seem to be Laker games at the staple Center.
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Old 01-08-2011, 05:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
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check your HD box.
i had the same thing happen to mine last year... the feed would cut out, get pixelated, and pause every so often. when i called rogers they told me to boot off and on again, and when that didnt work they told me my box was probably broken - which it was.
if you are renting your box just swap it at a Rogers store... if you bought it, well then you're up shit creek.
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I have the same issue with Raps games, other than on Sportsnet. Other channels are fine and other broadcasts of nba are fine... just Raptors. I have a lower end plasma and hd box...but again on the other broadcasts the image is clear as for most hd channels.
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Old 01-08-2011, 06:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'm with Rogers as well and the quality of TSN HD is always excellent.
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Old 01-08-2011, 06:06 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Its the signal stregth that is coming into your home... Call them up and have them send over a tech ... they will test it and boost it if need be...

Also swap out your box ...
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My box died on New Years day. It had been acting up a lot, including much freezing while on TSN. With the new box it can handle the better quality signal much better. It was actually a good thing that I was forced to get a new box.
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Old 01-08-2011, 06:59 PM   #17 (permalink)
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It's Cogeco. Their network - infrastructure or whatever - is so compressed that any movement causes that crap. I hate it. Very rarely do you see a true HD channel. Sometimes late at night, CBC News will be crystal clear. It's amazing. And it's sad that we don't get to see that very often.
The sports feeds aren't great a lot of the time. All cable companies overcompress HD streams so that they can fit more channels using less bandwidth.

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The higest resolution TV is broadcast in is 1080i. Even if you have one of the new Bell/Rogers boxes that supports 1080p, it just means that it's taking the 1080i stream, combining even and odd frames to make a 1080p image and sending it to your TV. If you have a 1080i box, your TV does the 1080i> 1080p conversion; it's not much difference either way.

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The main reason things like news and nature shows look so good in HD isn't always the feed quality, it's because sports have a lot of fast movement. Because the cable companies cheap out on bandwidth, where you really notice the difference is on fast moving scenes.


It's especially bad if you've watched some Blu-Ray movies lately. Blu-Ray video is typically 30-40Mb/s of bandwidth (1080p); HDTV bandwith usually around 5-2bMB/s and I suspect that it's really more like 5-10Mb/s.
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The Houston Vs. Orlando game was in horrible quality last night, I couldn't watch it.
Agreed but that is the US feeds fault...
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The sports feeds aren't great a lot of the time. All cable companies overcompress HD streams so that they can fit more channels using less bandwidth.

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The higest resolution TV is broadcast in is 1080i. Even if you have one of the new Bell/Rogers boxes that supports 1080p, it just means that it's taking the 1080i stream, combining even and odd frames to make a 1080p image and sending it to your TV. If you have a 1080i box, your TV does the 1080i> 1080p conversion; it's not much difference either way.

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The main reason things like news and nature shows look so good in HD isn't always the feed quality, it's because sports have a lot of fast movement. Because the cable companies cheap out on bandwidth, where you really notice the difference is on fast moving scenes.


It's especially bad if you've watched some Blu-Ray movies lately. Blu-Ray video is typically 30-40Mb/s of bandwidth (1080p); HDTV bandwith usually around 5-2bMB/s and I suspect that it's really more like 5-10Mb/s.
Pretty good info...But you didn't mention anything about progressive scan lines?
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:37 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Much appreciated for all your input...I'm using an "old" Sony 53" BIG screen...never had a problem w/ the hd feed before...ALL other channels are fine in HD...just TSN...starting about a month ago...the WJH was flaky but the Raptor ball has been consistently bad...alas, w/ the monopolistic nature of cable today, I'm forced to use Cogeco...am going to follow the advice given here and contact them and have a tech come out to test the feed and the HD box...my TV does not handle HDMI cables :-(

Again, thanx for the info/tips!
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