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Old 01-06-2009, 09:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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.... JO returns and or hasn't been dealt yet. Good point in this quick read this morning from Yahoo Sports where they point out that the Bargnani/Bosh combination has been working alot better together than the Bosh/O'Neal. I'm no scout, but from what I've seen the flow is most certainly there. Definitely something Jay's going to have to consider once O'Neal is back from injuries.

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There was always a question with the Raptors of where Andrea Bargnani fit into the equation and the grand scheme of things.

But they might be finding out, and it could complicate things for coach Jay Triano and general manager Bryan Colangelo if things continue as they have been.

Bargnani has taken to a starting center’s role like he was born to it, averaging more than 23 points a game since replacing the injured Jermaine O’Neal. With the Raptors seriously contemplating some significant trade in the next month, Bargnani’s emergence might allow Colangelo to aggressively shop O’Neal around.

But if he can’t move him—and with a contract that will pay him $23 million next season that’s a distinct possibility—it will be up to Triano to find the minutes, and the shots, to reward Bargnani for his recent strong play.

The combination of Bosh and Bargnani has worked much better all season than Bargnani and O’Neal has and at least as well as Bosh-O’Neal has, so there can be a case made that Bargnani should be ahead of O’Neal in the rotation.

But that’s not going to work. It’s hard to imagine O’Neal being happy in a backup role, so it will be up to Colangelo to work his magic before the trade deadline.
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Three man rotation is still working option. As Triano pointed out, Andrea begun to play better before he got the starting centre role. So whole problem is non-existent, Bargs can play good 30+ minutes from the bench. Just give him early touches.
I wouldn't want to keep him as our starting centre, with only Voskuhl and Hump backing up.
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Again, it's something I pointed out immediately after the Houston game I believe. The flow of the offence just seems better. We're not trying to force feed two big men inside who right now have identical games. Once the ball reaches J.O. there's no real kick out. With Bargnani he helps extend defences and the high-low game b/w he and Bosh works better. Also, it helps that Bargnani is a better passer than J.O. and is just more comfortable with his teammates.

Some will argue that's due to the fact that JO's only had x amount of game to play with Bosh. I call BS on that. The chemistry was good at first but has had a steep downhill drop ever since. The question is, can we now capitalize on this and make a deal that will give us either a SF/SG presence or add a few players who will compliment our rotation?
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I want to see how the team plays when JO comes back before I make any more judgements.

If JO's in the lineup and we STILL play well then we'll know it's been about the TEAM playing better as a whole.
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Seeing how Bosh has fallen in love with that outside jumper, why not try him at SF for a couple games? No way in hell should we screw around with Bargnani right now. He's got a good thing going right now. So, if JO can't be dealt soon, start him at PF, Bargs at C and Bosh at SF. Bosh is a helluva lot quicker than Andrea was at the SF spot.
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Nope ... ain't gonna float with JO. He won't take well to the news that he's been demoted. I guarantee that.
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Nope ... ain't gonna float with JO. He won't take well to the news that he's been demoted. I guarantee that.
Then he's not a team player and the Raps should trade him.
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Seeing how Bosh has fallen in love with that outside jumper, why not try him at SF for a couple games? No way in hell should we screw around with Bargnani right now. He's got a good thing going right now. So, if JO can't be dealt soon, start him at PF, Bargs at C and Bosh at SF. Bosh is a helluva lot quicker than Andrea was at the SF spot.
Rasam suggested this a little while ago Doc and I still don't like it now.... we need a good big off the bench IMO... and as quick as Bosh is he's not quick enough to handle most good SFs in the league. Plus, we'd be pulling him away from the basket which would likely decrease his FT and REB numbers.... not a fan of that.

It has to be JO on the bench at this point. As long as he still gets his minutes he shouldn't have a prob. with it.... and if he does.... bench him and then trade him.
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Keep in mind Jawai is coming in.

Thats 18 fouls with him, Hump, and Jake.

I would love to see Bosh at the three, he has no post up game anyhow, not on the low block at least, and I like Bargnani being able to stretch that 4-5 guy out to the top of the key. Bosh can kill most 3's, but then again, he does struggle against the quicker ones... Rashard gives him fits some games.

If O'Neal is healthy, which, I'm willing to go all in sayin ghe ain't and won't be. But if he is, he can be a very daunting big waiting for any 3 that does get by, and Bargnani is actually getting his nose dirty. Add 18 fouls from the other Bigs to clog the lanes and make going to the rim a living nightmare for opposing teams, and thi scould be a really fun way to play.

Coaches don't use fouls anymore, I wish they would, really effin hard ones too!
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Bargs can play 3 better than Bosh.

Bosh has no post up and is to small, Melo, Bron, Pierce etc will push him around and prince, durant, etc will outrun him.
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Bargs can play 3 better than Bosh.
Maybe so, but his confidence shits the bed once again and Bargnani takes a step back yet again. He's now shown since the start of this season and even a few of his more successful games last season that he's better suited to play as a big man where the pressure is somewhat lesser especially on defense which by far has been his most significant improvement this year just as long as he's matched up with another big and not a much smaller and faster SF.
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Nope ... ain't gonna float with JO. He won't take well to the news that he's been demoted. I guarantee that.
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so would a cheetah, are you sayin ghe can't eat Cheeto's now?

He can eat all the cheetahs, durants, melos and brons he wants, he just cant guard or score on them.
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Maybe so, but his confidence shits the bed once again and Bargnani takes a step back yet again. He's now shown since the start of this season and even a few of his more successful games last season that he's better suited to play as a big man where the pressure is somewhat lesser especially on defense which by far has been his most significant improvement this year just as long as he's matched up with another big and not a much smaller and faster SF.
I agree, Bargs couldnt handle SF, but my point is he would still be better than Bosh at it.

JO either needs to come of bench or be traded for a solid sg/sf and a defensive bigman.
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I would love to see Bosh at the three, he has no post up game anyhow, not on the low block at least, and I like Bargnani being able to stretch that 4-5 guy out to the top of the key. Bosh can kill most 3's, but then again, he does struggle against the quicker ones... Rashard gives him fits some games.

wouldn't the defenders just switch to have the bigs cover Bosh and oneal and the 3 cover Bargs on the wing?
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Keep in mind Jawai is coming in.

Thats 18 fouls with him, Hump, and Jake.

I would love to see Bosh at the three, he has no post up game anyhow, not on the low block at least, and I like Bargnani being able to stretch that 4-5 guy out to the top of the key. Bosh can kill most 3's, but then again, he does struggle against the quicker ones... Rashard gives him fits some games.

If O'Neal is healthy, which, I'm willing to go all in sayin ghe ain't and won't be. But if he is, he can be a very daunting big waiting for any 3 that does get by, and Bargnani is actually getting his nose dirty. Add 18 fouls from the other Bigs to clog the lanes and make going to the rim a living nightmare for opposing teams, and thi scould be a really fun way to play.

Coaches don't use fouls anymore, I wish they would, really effin hard ones too!
i am not sure how any future plans for this team can include a guy who might drop dead at any moment due to an enlarged heart. BC has to buy the guy out and send him on his way so we can find someone who might actually suit up and play for this team. until nathan is dressed, please don't tell me how good he might become...
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Three man rotation is still working option. As Triano pointed out, Andrea begun to play better before he got the starting centre role. So whole problem is non-existent, Bargs can play good 30+ minutes from the bench. Just give him early touches.
I wouldn't want to keep him as our starting centre, with only Voskuhl and Hump backing up.
I would in a heartbeat. If we can get a starting wing player + 1 or 2 players for O'neal and keep guys like Moon, JK, and maybe even AP coming off the bench we'd be much better.
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i am not sure how any future plans for this team can include a guy who might drop dead at any moment due to an enlarged heart. BC has to buy the guy out and send him on his way so we can find someone who might actually suit up and play for this team. until nathan is dressed, please don't tell me how good he might become...
Not allowed to dress him till he's ok'ed by the Doctors.

Not my rules, thiers.

He's ok'ed.

Legally, nobody is liable, if he can play, help, and win games, they will use him.

Don't be a twit!
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