Triano's coaching legacy
Old 12-28-2011, 04:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Maybe I'm re-hashing old material, but the interviews of late have me wondering about Triano's legacy and future.

Last year was not a good year for Triano, no doubt about it. "The fuck ya gonna do?" seemed to exemplify his difficulties turning what was in his head into an on-the-court product. I think it was obvious to many that Triano, while perhaps stable, was not going to be able to turn the ship around.

Now the comments in the newspapers lately seem to emphasize this point. We could always assume that perhaps Triano is being played the scapegoat, but it seems like many, many people in the organization have openly questioned Triano's performance last year. I'm hoping someone a little faster could quote them, but I know I've seen comments from Bayless and from Casey that implied that Triano was not keeping people accountable and didn't seem to care much about defense. I'm fairly sure I've heard similar comments from others (James Johnson comes to mind).

Keep in mind that we've barely started the season, but if Casey can have this team playing a winning style of basketball and showing winning attitudes, I think Triano will look all the worse, whether the team actually wins many games or not (that would likely be pinned on Colangelo).

Do you think that Triano has a hope in hell of another head coaching job in this league? Do you think that he'll go down as a bad case of Nationalistic nepotism? Will he be remembered only for his work with Team Canada? Does he have a shot at any basketball hall of fame? Or will he just fade away, comfy in his front office position with no real legacy at all?
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Well, I'll be interested to see if SJ responds to this thread. To be clear, that's NOT me calling SJ out; I just remember him stating, in another thread, that Triano had been thrown under the bus a bit, and that he'd been told this by people "who know" (or something like that). But SJ didn't really elaborate. So, assuming Triano was treated unfairly, I wonder how people who defend him would respond. That's all.
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Triano was brilliant he netted us the #5 pick & a good one at that!
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Do you think that Triano has a hope in hell of another head coaching job in this league?
It won't help if other somewhat respected (PJ constantly has work in the NBA) voices take thinly-veiled jabs at you.

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But today, in a Grantland piece by Jonathan Abrams that documented a week in New jersey Nets training camp (thanks to RaptorBlog founder and editor Scott Carefoot for making me aware of this on twitter), P.J. Carlesimo might have shed a bit of light on both Triano and Bargnani.

After being told about an idea that would allow the Nets guards to crash the boards while the bigs made a dash up the floor, Carlesimo, who served as an assistant under Triano last season, had this to say, according to Abrams:

“That’s what I wanted to do with [Andrea] Bargnani last year, but [former Raptors coach Jay] Triano wouldn’t let me,” Carlesimo says. “He said it was demeaning. At least our smalls had a chance of getting the rebound.”

If you see a stalled TTC bus anywhere in the city today, you might want to make sure Jay Triano and Andrea Bargnani aren’t under it.

Whether Carlesimo realized he was throwing Triano and Bargnani under the bus or not, those words were said, according to Abrams, before a coaches’ meeting, in front of a reporter no less. Carlesimo obviously felt strongly enough about this to warrant saying it in this setting.

As Scott pointed out, it’s tough to determine who’s being roasted more here, Jay or Andrea. None the less, it’s a revealing quote.
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This added line makes PJ’s whole statement much more insulting for Bargnani than it is for Triano. At least you could argue that Jay was trying to keep his players happy, that he just didn’t believe in the play from an X’s and O’s standpoint or that he thought it was a no-no within the organization to slight Bryan Colangelo’s No. 1 overall pick. What can we say to excuse Carlesimo’s opinion of Bargnani’s rebounding ‘skills?’

Nothing.

Whether Carlesimo’s comments pick up steam in Toronto basketball circles or within the Raptors organization is yet to be determined, but for those who do find and read the Carlesimo quote, it’s perhaps the most damning indication of Triano and Bargnani’s relationship, outside of complaints from fans, yet.




LINK - Dec.22nd article

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Bargnani sunk Mitchell. Triano was there on the basis of making it work with Andrea. He knew all the politics from before, and he knew what BC expected. The fact that Triano is still here says a lot to me. He was a good soldier, and he's not getting thrown under the bus like most coaches would. And he surely knows that his reputation took a big enough hit that he has to give up on the idea of joining some other coaching crew. Now we get to see AB making up his mind whether he wants to be an NBA player on a team that is run properly.
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Raptors? dedication to defence faces tough test against Pacers - thestar.com

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ďItís not only wins and losses, itís that culture change, itís coming (Tuesday) and working hard (at practice),Ē [Dwayne Casey] said. ďLast year, they said they came in and kind of went through the motions. Today we had to put our work boots and hard hats on and come to work because playing hard is a habit.
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Raptors coach Dwane Casey ‘not a tyrant’ - The Globe and Mail

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“I can’t speak highly enough about [Dwayne Casey],” guard Jerryd Bayless said. “He brings a certain focus that we didn’t have last year. His philosophy on defence and offence is, both things win games.”
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:37 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Triano's mild-manner demeanor just never meshed with the huge egos of NBA players. He just never seemed to command the attention of the dressing room. He's the type of guy you want coaching your child's middle or high school team, as he has a great demeanor and is strong with his Xs and Os but such an approach doesn't work with professionals.
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Isnt jay with usa basketball? Watching the olympic behind the scenes prodjctions they make i tbought alot of the players were praising triano. Maybe hes just a great assistant coach
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:49 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Meh, players can say a lot of things...what will these guys say about Casey if the don't achieve this year?

Anyhow, Triano wasn't perfect, but he did not have the hammer that Casey has been given. Really though, it shouldn't matter much...traditionally NBA players don't really listen to their coaches anyhow.
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Yep - a long and storied tradition - going back to when Bill Russell and Red Auerbach. Russell forcing himself to vomit before every game on the advice of his coach was just a subterfuge, and all the other Celtics thought it was a physical reaction to the game plans provided.
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