Is Triano still using the not enough practice excuse
Old 11-30-2009, 11:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is Triano still using the not enough practice excuse

Triano today was asked if they were gonna start playing more zone defence because the defence is been so poor.

Triano's response -

"The biggest problem with zone is that you leave yourself open for offensive rebounds which could be demoralizing" (This is different from what's going on now... how?)

"we're still learning the basics" - That was a real head scratcher!!

"It's pretty tough to practice it" "We don't want to play alot of zone if we haven't had alot of time to practice it"

"We've got 9 new guys still learning"

"We won't be getting another full practice in until Dec. 21st"

Pardon me Jay but was i hearing things correctly during training camp when you said you were only focusing on defence and that you wanted to be a the top 6 team in defence? So if so, how could zone defence not have been part of that? Is this fuckin' guy for real?? Sorry but this guy is out to lunch and doesn't seem too eager to change shit! People said last season that Jay needed more practice time to implement his philosophy. Then they said he needed a training camp. We'll he's had both and now he's bitching he doesn't have enough practice time.


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Old 11-30-2009, 11:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Somewhat disturbing, I just hope his persistence pays off in the long run.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I could be mistaken, but the way the Raptors have been playing I seriously doubt playing zone is going to help even if they learn it. When there is no effort, proper positioning, or communication on defense its not going to matter whether or not you running a man or zone system.

Plus there have been too many players defending poorly for zone to mask. Its not like Calderon is the only problem.
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I could be mistaken, but the way the Raptors have been playing I seriously doubt playing zone is going to help even if they learn it. When there is no effort, proper positioning, or communication on defense its not going to matter whether or not you running a man or zone system.

Plus there have been too many players defending poorly for zone to mask. Its not like Calderon is the only problem.
Yeah, but why not try it? The fact is that at the very least they should know how, it should be instilled in them through training camp. It doesn't disturb you in the least that he basically said they haven't practiced zone defence, not only that, but that they're still learning the basics? No wonder the players seem to be tuning him out. It's a fuckin' joke and like 'trane said in another thread, it's one thing to not be prepared but it's another thing entirely to anounce it to everyone. This speaks volumes to what we're seeing on the court as far as i'm concerned.

Not only that, they've played a little zone here & there and it worked better then the shit we're used to seeing. We are nearly 20 games in and Triano needs to wake the fuck up and get a sense of urgency. But he doesn't seem too worried about making any changes. We're fucked as long as he's here.

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Old 12-01-2009, 01:00 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Yeah, but why not try it? The fact is that at the very least they should know how, it should be instilled in them through training camp. It doesn't disturb you in the least that he basically said they haven't practiced zone defence, not only that, but that they're still learning the basics? No wonder the players seem to be tuning him out. It's a fuckin' joke and like 'trane said in another thread, it's one thing to not be prepared but it's another thing entirely to anounce it to everyone. This speaks volumes to what we're seeing on the court as far as i'm concerned.

Not only that, they've played a little zone here & there and it worked better then the shit we're used to seeing. We are nearly 20 games in and Triano needs to wake the fuck up and get a sense of urgency. But he doesn't seem too worried about making any changes. We're fucked as long as he's here.
I agree with you that it won't hurt to try it, I'm just skeptical about it working since overall fundamentals have been so poor.

As for Triano, I think its hard to say - maybe he is doing a piss poor job. But these are big boys, you'd think they'd know how to box out etc. after playing basketball for most of their lives. You can go to the YMCA and find guys positioning themselves better than some of the Raptors, this can be said without hyperbole.

It doesn't bother me that they haven't practiced zone yet because there is so much more room for improvement on basic principles. We can worry about zone once guys know to pay attention to what is going on around them and show some effort. How can a coach find time to teach zone when hes busy showing them how to switch, box out, close out, sag/tighten up, fight for loose balls, and contest shots without taking stupid fouls?
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I agree, way to many excuses. The whole 9 new players excuse is dieing out and complaining out not having enough practices after being given an opportunity to play in 9 exhibition games is absurd.
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Old 12-01-2009, 04:05 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Can we blame Iavaroni? Their current defensive "system" was so complicated (somwhere deep inside), that they didn't practice anything else. And now 18 games in they see its not working, but no time to practice anything new.
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Can we blame Iavaroni? Their current defensive "system" was so complicated (somwhere deep inside), that they didn't practice anything else. And now 18 games in they see its not working, but no time to practice anything new.
Blame the whole coaching staff, because as it stands the things Triano is saying reflects poorly on the whole coaching staff. The players need to be held accountable to a degree, but something smells to high heaven when it comes to the level of preparedness from the coaches. And Triano seems extremely reluctant and stubborn to adjust or recognize changes need to be done.

Sorry guys but we're fucked because these players simply aren't buying the shit this staff is shoveling and it shows in the players body language. This is a talented team, certainly more talented then this, even defensively. Yet we're the worst defensive team in the league.

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Old 12-01-2009, 06:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I wasn't impressed that he was blaming the schedule.

And he's seen lineups that have been pretty effective playing defense. Why not start there instead of trying to figure out how to practice stuff that might hide the obvious deficiencies of other lineups?
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I wasn't impressed that he was blaming the schedule.

And he's seen lineups that have been pretty effective playing defense. Why not start there instead of trying to figure out how to practice stuff that might hide the obvious deficiencies of other lineups?
You know what really ticked me off the most, saying that they're still learning the basics nearly 20 games in. WTF?? And then blaming the schedule and lack of practice time? People ate that bullshit last season but that simply shouldn't fly with anybody this time around. He and his staff had all summer to prepare and then had a training camp + 9 exhibition games + 18 reg. season games. In fact weren't the coaches here a few weeks prior to training camp?

I was optomistic that this team can turn things around, but that's pretty much history at this point. And i hate to say it but Bosh is as good as gone! This seems bush league/mickey mouse to me.
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Bosh is not good as gone, nor is the season finished. Not yet. But I wonder how much Colangelo is behind Triano making himself look like an idiot. Does Triano really want to be making these excuses, or is BC insisting that these excuses get made?

There is still plenty of talent here, and improving on defense will amount to using the talent that is able to do that. If Colangelo has no interest in seeing a team that plays defense, then I guess Bosh is as good as traded. It will be interesting to see how things pan out in the next couple of weeks. Triano sounds like he's making excuses in advance, instead of insisting that the players make the right sacrifices for the team. He simply has not made the hard decisions needed to actually put a team together yet.
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Bosh is not good as gone, nor is the season finished. Not yet. But I wonder how much Colangelo is behind Triano making himself look like an idiot. Does Triano really want to be making these excuses, or is BC insisting that these excuses get made?

There is still plenty of talent here, and improving on defense will amount to using the talent that is able to do that. If Colangelo has no interest in seeing a team that plays defense, then I guess Bosh is as good as traded. It will be interesting to see how things pan out in the next couple of weeks. Triano sounds like he's making excuses in advance, instead of insisting that the players make the right sacrifices for the team. He simply has not made the hard decisions needed to actually put a team together yet.
The emphasis from day one of training camp was defence from Jay, Bryan and the coaching staff, they knew what they had offensively, so much so that it's pretty much all they practiced. Yet we're the worst defensive team in the league. These are his excuses, he made the same ones last season. The failures defensively are all on him and his staff and to a lesser degree the players.
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Old 12-01-2009, 07:17 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Triano is a good coach in practice and in preparing games He just cant run a team during a game. He's stuck on his plan and cant react if a game doesn't go in the direction he've planned. Mostly on defence 'cause given the talen the playes have something good is gonna happen
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apparently he also hasn't figured out that a Jose+Jack tandem is (still) a dumb-assed move to close out 4th quarters.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:15 PM   #15 (permalink)
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apparently he also hasn't figured out that a Jose+Jack tandem is (still) a dumb-assed move to close out 4th quarters.
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That's another thing about him that pisses me off. He's hard headed!
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:36 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Fuckin Jay.

If Popovich was our coach, Bargnani and Calderon would both play a combined 4 minutes a game.
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:03 PM   #17 (permalink)
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