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Old 12-02-2009, 03:47 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I'm not sure I would cut the rotation, maybe just give certain guys more minutes over others.

- Belli's minutes increased at the expense of Wright's until he smartens up on offense
- Amir's minutes increased at the expense of both Bosh and Bargnani
- Jack's minutes decreased fully at the two
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:52 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Sooner or later Triano will have explored every single possibility of lineup changes and plays and the results will guess what? be the same..
unless of course the players make their shots, then triano will be showing them some love.
He's almost 20 games in and no changes are afoot! So unless you're sucking him off or have a crystal ball and can tell the future i don't know where your info is coming from.
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without getting into heavy details

split Caldy and Jack's time at the PG spot
Amir or Evans plays with Bosh or Bargs, except for extreme cases where a basket is needed or points in a hurry
try running - Jack, Beli, DeRozan, Hedo, Bosh or Bargs

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Old 12-02-2009, 04:05 PM   #44 (permalink)
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OK. Let's use your example.

You've just been hired as the manager of a company.

You have one star employee who busts his ass day in and day out and is your star.

You have another employee who's just been hired on who was SUPPOSED to be a star for you but isn't living up to expectations at all.

You have a third employee who is a nice guy, a good leader, but is absolutely horrible with account managing. On more than one occasion he's to blame for some screw-ups.

You have a junior employee right out of college that has a lot of potential but is just really green and is learning the business as he goes.

You have an employee that is really great at parties... he sells your product really well, is in all the brochures.... yet he's a lazy shit who never wants to stay late to get the job done. He's just rather shift the responsibility to the rest of the office when push comes to shove.

And the rest of the office (lower level employees) are pretty much your avg. worker. Not great but not bad either.


What would YOU do if you were the VP directly in charge of this staff and you reported to the CEO?

How would you justify your company's last disappointing quarter?
Identify the reason for the company's disappointing quarter. Defense. If you have no one in your team including yourself to implement the required change of Defense, look elsewhere. Look at other companies/teams (Spurs, Jazz, Rockets), that have people who have succesfully implemented and won with this strategy.

This team is losing because its giving up 109pts per game and opponents are shooting .479 against the Raptors. If BC doesn't want get rid of Triano, get a lead assistant who has the defensive background. If you want to get rid of Triano, get someone like Jeff Van Gundy (if he can get out of broadcasting contract), Avery Johnson (winning record as coach & improved his team defense to reach NBA Finals), Lawrence Frank. These coaches have a proven track record and have winning records as head coach.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:09 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Identify the reason for the company's disappointing quarter. Defense. If you have no one in your team including yourself to implement the required change of Defense, look elsewhere. Look at other companies/teams (Spurs, Jazz, Rockets), that have people who have succesfully implemented and won with this strategy.

This team is losing because its giving up 109pts per game and opponents are shooting .479 against the Raptors. If BC doesn't want get rid of Triano, get a lead assistant who has the defensive background. If you want to get rid of Triano, get someone like Jeff Van Gundy (if he can get out of broadcasting contract), Avery Johnson (winning record as coach & improved his team defense to reach NBA Finals), Lawrence Frank. These coaches have a proven track record and have winning records as head coach.
You're still missing my point..... so I'll try another approach.

If we put YOU on the Raptors for the rest of the season do you think that Jeff Van Gundy could magically make you into a good (or even decent) defender?

A chef is only as good as his ingredients.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:11 PM   #46 (permalink)
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blah blah blah.

It's on the players at this point.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:12 PM   #47 (permalink)
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You're still missing my point..... so I'll try another approach.

If we put YOU on the Raptors for the rest of the season do you think that Jeff Van Gundy could magically make you into a good (or even decent) defender?

A chef is only as good as his ingredients.
Sure but some chefs are better at bringing out flavours with the same given ingredients and getting better results. It's called creativity.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:27 PM   #48 (permalink)
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blah blah blah.

It's on the players at this point.
Let's say BC keeps the coaching staff. Like last year, people saying we were soft. This year people saying the same thing. The way teams are walking on us on the defensive end. With the Paul Pierce incident, and no one defending Bosh. This team is soft. Do you see the players making themselves accountable on the defensive end, or reacting like nothing happened like what they are doing now. If it is status quo and "its on the players" as you said, expect the same results like last year. Raptors will be a lottery team.
We are having the same problems like last year: Toughness, Perimeter Defense, Rebounding, Closing Games etc.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:37 PM   #49 (permalink)
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You're still missing my point..... so I'll try another approach.

If we put YOU on the Raptors for the rest of the season do you think that Jeff Van Gundy could magically make you into a good (or even decent) defender?

A chef is only as good as his ingredients.
The ingredients/players are flawed. But I agree with JEFFB, its about getting the most from his players. Maybe using less of the bad ingredients (Bargnani, Calderon) and using more of the substitute (Johnson). The chef is gotta get crap and turn into a better outcome. He's gotta pull a Macgyver.
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Why cant some of you understand that if (and that's a huge IF) this team parts ways with Triano, they're not going to hire outside of the organization? Why is it so hard to fathom? Most of you are talking about bringing in defensive gurus when this team wasn't built to play that way. This team was built to score a ton of points on offense. If they get a few stops along the way, great, but this team was built to score a ton of points. If Triano gets canned, Iavaroni gets the job.
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Old 12-02-2009, 05:26 PM   #51 (permalink)
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He's almost 20 games in and no changes are afoot! So unless you're sucking him off or have a crystal ball and can tell the future i don't know where your info is coming from.


Struck a nerve? lol didn't know you were that sensitive.

My info?? did you even read the post properly? it was an opinion LOL can't you tell the difference?
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Old 12-02-2009, 05:34 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Struck a nerve? lol didn't know you were that sensitive.

My info?? did you even read the post properly? it was an opinion LOL can't you tell the difference?
Yeah i know the difference just fine. You said with apparent certainty that Jay will explore all possible lineup changes and plays and the results will be the same. So i'm wondering how do you know this?
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Old 12-02-2009, 05:42 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Yeah i know the difference just fine. You said with apparent certainty that Jay will explore all possible lineup changes and plays and the results will be the same. So i'm wondering how do you know this?


just watch and see..
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Old 12-02-2009, 06:05 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Let's say BC keeps the coaching staff. Like last year, people saying we were soft. This year people saying the same thing. The way teams are walking on us on the defensive end. With the Paul Pierce incident, and no one defending Bosh. This team is soft. Do you see the players making themselves accountable on the defensive end, or reacting like nothing happened like what they are doing now. If it is status quo and "its on the players" as you said, expect the same results like last year. Raptors will be a lottery team.
We are having the same problems like last year: Toughness, Perimeter Defense, Rebounding, Closing Games etc.
Have to agree with you completely, and you can add the fact the team has no endurance, to it. It's time to kick their asses and make them practice hard even after a game if necessary. Too many games, too much travelling, the team is out of shape with the possible exception of Chris Bosh. How hard can it be on your physique to play a slow half court offence type system with little movement, like we do. This team is young, it needs to be pushed hard to gain maximum benefit. Stop coddling them!
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There is something i don't get. Why not have practices on off days. They have shootarounds and are at the gym anyway. Even if it's just a walk through and going through video and some actual drills. Especially when the players aren't grasping things or if tweaks or changes need to be made.
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There is something i don't get. Why not have practices on off days. They have shootarounds and are at the gym anyway. Even if it's just a walk through and going through video and some actual drills. Especially when the players aren't grasping things or if tweaks or changes need to be made.
Your right! They're just coddling them. They have nine off days this month before their next scheduled practice Dec 21st. When your team is playing like crap, you don't deserve off days. Sure some of them might be slightly heavier travel days, but so what. Rent a gym and get to work. When we were hockey kids, we played in tournaments with two even three games a day, five games in two days and we still found lots of energy to work hard every game. These are professional athletes and many of them only play twenty minutes a night. We don't play fast break basketball and we don't play defence, how hard can that possibly be!
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The players are laughing it out since the coach is taking all the heat and not them.... not yet that is.

Triano has 2 choices:

1. make excuses, blaming others - like yeah we played back to back games man!

2. Blame himself - I as a head coach suck but i want to keep this a secret so i can get my paycheck, please don't tell anyone!!!



Triano chose #1!!!
good choice!
Or he can choose to actually make some of the tough decisions that coaches are required to make. In other words he can choose to do his job.

Yes - some of the excuses sound like Sam, but at least Sam was simply covering for the players. Sam made some tough choices. Jay hasn't made any real choices in response to his team's performances.
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Your right! They're just coddling them. They have nine off days this month before their next scheduled practice Dec 21st. When your team is playing like crap, you don't deserve off days. Sure some of them might be slightly heavier travel days, but so what. Rent a gym and get to work. When we were hockey kids, we played in tournaments with two even three games a day, five games in two days and we still found lots of energy to work hard every game. These are professional athletes and many of them only play twenty minutes a night. We don't play fast break basketball and we don't play defence, how hard can that possibly be!
I would threaten pratices until they worked their asses off in games and played Defence! A day off isn't a day off until it's earned.

Especially with more home games this month and a better schedule.
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blah blah blah.

It's on the players at this point.
That's another job of the coach - to hold the players accountable. Does that seem to be happening?

It is entirely the culture that BC was looking for though - avoiding any kind of conflict - just letting the players play without making too many demands of them. Give them a cookie and a pat on the back and send them out there.
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I think Triano stole Jerry Seinfeld's idea, and created an excuse Rolodex, that he can just flip through whenever he needs a new excuse.
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