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Old 12-02-2009, 03:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Let's bring back Lenny since some of you don't like rookie head coaches!!! hahahahahaha.... or maybe Butch so he can try and steal Colangelo's job too...
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:39 PM   #22 (permalink)
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3rd option- Man up and say something has to change because things as they stand just aren't working. That i can at least respect. Good coaches adapt and adjust. Status quo almost 20 games in, isn't cutting the mustard.
That is exactly what JT has to do...which I believe he is starting to do. I read yesterday that Triano will be "tweaking" his defensive schemes a little bit. The whole coaching staff needs to realize what is and isn't working and make better adjustments-especially at half time.

Note to Triano: for the love of God please get rid of having Ocho and Jack on the floor at the same time!

Also, is anybody else noticing having CB and Amir on the floor at the same is working very well. I would love to have Amir starting in place of Bargs at C. But I know that will never happen. at the very least give Amir more mins especially next to Bosh.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Also, is anybody else noticing having CB and Amir on the floor at the same is working very well. I would love to have Amir starting in place of Bargs at C. But I know that will never happen. at the very least give Amir more mins especially next to Bosh.
Yeah most noticed that weeks ago. Bosh plays better without Bargs and Bargs plays better with Bosh on the bench.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:50 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Triano in his own words: "Damn guys please just make your shots man, i'll be happy, you'll be happy common guys what else do you need?"
They make plenty of shots, score over 100 most every game. Still they lose by a significant amount, so defence and the energy and will required to play it, is still the biggest culprit. There is still not enough toughness out there. How often do you even see this team willing to take charges on the defensive end. That requires the will and toughness to want to stand in there and do it. Reggie will help for sure but that is only the start. It will take intestinal fortitude to do the truly dirty work, throughout the lineup.
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3rd option- Man up and say something has to change because things as they stand just aren't working. That i can at least respect. Good coaches adapt and adjust. Status quo almost 20 games in, isn't cutting the mustard.


That's the same thing as blaming himself.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:56 PM   #26 (permalink)
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That's the same thing as blaming himself.
Sort of. A guy that can say that he's not perfect and admit that things need to change according to the roster's character and weeknesses, is someone i can have respect for. Someone who isn't able to adjust is someone that i don't want coaching this team.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:57 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Also, is anybody else noticing having CB and Amir on the floor at the same is working very well. I would love to have Amir starting in place of Bargs at C. But I know that will never happen. at the very least give Amir more mins especially next to Bosh.
Everyone can hate you, but as long as you get along with the boss, you still have a job. Rule No. 1 in Raptorland, never mess with the boss's prize pet. You mess with Bargnani, you can stand beside Sam Mitchell in the unemployment line. The team is much better with Bosh and Amir getting the majority of minutes in the frontcourt. But giving more minutes to Amir or Rasho, and taking minutes from Bargnani violates Rule No. 1.

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They make plenty of shots, score over 100 most every game. Still they lose by a significant amount, so defence and the energy and will required to play it, is still the biggest culprit. There is still not enough toughness out there. How often do you even see this team willing to take charges on the defensive end. That requires the will and toughness to want to stand in there and do it. Reggie will help for sure but that is only the start. It will take intestinal fortitude to do the truly dirty work, throughout the lineup.



They make plenty of shots but they need to be shooting around 63% on average the whole game to win games, or around 125 points to win games. So they need to make even More Shots, because teaching defense to the Raptors is like teaching a 5'0" man how to dunk on a 10 foot net.
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I'm curious right now to hear some answers.

Since it's the coaching staff's fault (obviously -- note sarcasm). I'm curious. I'm reading a board full of coaches right now. What would you guys do as coaches of this team? What would you do differently? Just curious.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:07 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Everyone can hate you, but as long as you get along with the boss, you still have a job. Rule No. 1 in Raptorland, never mess with the boss's prize pet. You mess with Bargnani, you can stand beside Sam Mitchell in the unemployment line. The team is much better with Bosh and Amir getting the majority of minutes in the frontcourt. But giving more minutes to Amir or Rasho, and taking minutes from Bargnani violates Rule No. 1.


So you have to violate rules to play better and possibly win more games? Nice system you have there.
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I read in the star this week that Triano was considering changing his d coverages, from his auto switch to more zone. Implying that was needed to balance the d for those unable or unwilling to pick up their coverages. Its was the first time I have heard him present the fact that his system is not working. some thing i think the most of us saw 5 games in. I agree his attitude as of late in describing the teams losses is disheartening, its seems as though he is unwilling to hold any one accountable( including himself ). Triano is fantastic coach, but I don't believe he is quite ready to be leading a NBA team. His roots have always been as drill coach, a teacher of tech. ect. ( which correct me if I am wrong He does under coach K for the US national team). Where he lacks is motivation, this team, instead of looking like they can win every game always presents the chance that they can lose, and to the worst of the worst. He needs a little more Bobby Knight in him. No more breaking clip boards. If Bargs is lossing games he should be dodging chairs at practise. People should be told they are the weak link, told to step up.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:11 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Sort of. A guy that can say that he's not perfect and admit that things need to change according to the roster's character and weeknesses, is someone i can have respect for. Someone who isn't able to adjust is someone that i don't want coaching this team.


When was the last time you have seen a coach admit he's not perfect and that he's done a bunch of mistakes?
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:15 PM   #33 (permalink)
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When was the last time you have seen a coach admit he's not perfect and that he's done a bunch of mistakes?
Whenever a coach has made changes to the lineup or strategies.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:19 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Whenever a coach has made changes to the lineup or strategies.

What you were suggesting as a coach you liked was if he admitted directly that he made a bunch of mistakes. Where have you seen them directly actually say this either in writing or in video? they can make changes of course, every game there are changes.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:28 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I've been saying that Triano was the wrong choice since the beginning. I work in the business world, and when you hire a project leader, manager, or director, you hire someone who has the experience to do the job. With the exception of working one year with Kevin O'Neil, he doesn't have any experience or backround of implenting a succesful defensive system. When a employee is not performing their job successfully, he assigns blame elsewhere, gives excuses or a combination of both. Just what Triano is doing right now. Triano is in over his head.
OK. Let's use your example.

You've just been hired as the manager of a company.

You have one star employee who busts his ass day in and day out and is your star.

You have another employee who's just been hired on who was SUPPOSED to be a star for you but isn't living up to expectations at all.

You have a third employee who is a nice guy, a good leader, but is absolutely horrible with account managing. On more than one occasion he's to blame for some screw-ups.

You have a junior employee right out of college that has a lot of potential but is just really green and is learning the business as he goes.

You have an employee that is really great at parties... he sells your product really well, is in all the brochures.... yet he's a lazy shit who never wants to stay late to get the job done. He's just rather shift the responsibility to the rest of the office when push comes to shove.

And the rest of the office (lower level employees) are pretty much your avg. worker. Not great but not bad either.


What would YOU do if you were the VP directly in charge of this staff and you reported to the CEO?

How would you justify your company's last disappointing quarter?
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I'm curious right now to hear some answers.

Since it's the coaching staff's fault (obviously -- note sarcasm). I'm curious. I'm reading a board full of coaches right now. What would you guys do as coaches of this team? What would you do differently? Just curious.
I would be shortening the rotation, and I would of made a move or two to change up the starting lineup.
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I would be shortening the rotation, and I would of made a move or two to change up the starting lineup.
Thank you. First one to reply.

I agree.
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I would be shortening the rotation, and I would of made a move or two to change up the starting lineup.
I agree.

Out of curiosity though... when you say "shorten the rotation" who are you referring to? Who would you leave out?
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I'm curious right now to hear some answers.

Since it's the coaching staff's fault (obviously -- note sarcasm). I'm curious. I'm reading a board full of coaches right now. What would you guys do as coaches of this team? What would you do differently? Just curious.
No more Jose/JJ, more zone, Try starting Wright, cut Bargs minutes to 30MPG and give Amir 25MPG.
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No more Jose/JJ, more zone, Try starting Wright, cut Bargs minutes to 30MPG and give Amir 25MPG.


Sooner or later Triano will have explored every single possibility of lineup changes and plays and the results will guess what? be the same..
unless of course the players make their shots, then triano will be showing them some love.
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