The Triano Effect
Old 01-10-2009, 11:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok guys.

I wanted to make a thread to see if, and what you guys have noticed watching the games of late.

Whether some like to admit it, the team has undergone a miniature "Hoosiers" moment under Triano. Guys in interviews are talking about buying into the offence and defensive philosophies, which is a good sign that there is at least something in place they like.

As well, even in losses there are moments of very nice ball, with all players seeing the rock.

I know I have been very happy watching these guys lately, and I am extremely excited to see how things will look with Jose in there once he's back and had 5-6 games to adjust. I can't tell you how happy I am he's sitting, and allowing Roko and Solomon the time they deserve to get their shit together in the NBA, the time they are seeing is so valuable, and the three PG's together all offer so man y DIFFERENT look that teams will be really pressed to adapt if Triano uses them right.

This is what I see so for...I'm curious to see what you guys have noticed.
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Old 01-10-2009, 11:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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They seem more happy and confident in knowing even if the screw up they have another chance.

Only thing that has me worried is when Jose and J.O come back are they gonna go back to how they were prior.
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Old 01-10-2009, 11:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Remember when Bosh was out with an injury for a stretch two seasons ago and during his time off he got a chance to watch the team from afar, evaluate what was going on, and was able to pick his spots better when he came back. The team played the best basketball of the season when he started playing again.

I agree with SJ. I think the time JO and Jose have spent sitting on the bench is invaluable. Add that to the fact that we've actually been winning in their absence and I think you'll see a solid, solid basketball team when our boys come back.
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think the effect has been more about JO not being in there, not needing to be integrated into things, not needing a new defensive system to make him feel better.

Go back to pre-JO, and you will hear the same buying into things as you hear now. The team has good chemistry now as it did then.

Some of the more exciting things also have to do with Jose being out, and if he comes back less than 100 percent and plods along again, then that stuff is going to vanish.

The biggest changes have to do with Bosh having Bargnani to work with, and the chemistry developing there again, and Bosh playing some of the best ball of his career on both ends as he was doing in November, but this time around he has been able to do so without relying heavily on Jose or deferring to JO. Everything is running through him to a much greater extent on offense, and Bargnani is helping a great deal with some leadership on defense.

I like that Triano just lets them play, as Sam once did. My favorite Jay moment so far - yelling out "run a play".
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i think ONeal is full capable of playing in this system.

I'm not sure you give Triano the credit he may be due, but who knows right now.

I'd love to hear some shit off the record from the players themselves
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Of course O'Neal is capable of playing in this system - it's been changed just for his purposes. But if he does have an off-night does he go ahead and blame the system anyway? Because the guy was fully capable under the old system, and it actually helped the team more, although required more sacrifice from him.

Triano gets no credit until all the pieces are back and they are able to maintain what we see now. If that happens then he gets enormous credit.
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:28 PM   #7 (permalink)
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thasts why they play the games eh LX



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Old 01-10-2009, 12:41 PM   #8 (permalink)
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After the time he got pissed off at the Raps on a timeout this team has responded. Hopefully that can amount to something big
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:43 PM   #9 (permalink)
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smart plays,smart schemes,smart timeouts,smart sub patters.SMART COACHING.jt has exposed sam for the fraud he was.once we fully wash away sam from the collective mindstate,we'll continue to prosper.
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Before giving Triano props, Raptors have to have a better season under him. So far it's nothing more than it happen previous years under Sam. Raptors are a good team, they just need a beginner coach (Sam or Triano) to play like this. To catch up with top teams, we need a better coach than Sam or Triano.
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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lol jay loses, he has excuses, he wins a few games, he proves he is MUCH better, ill wait n see, i really hope he is, but im not nearly sold yet, Sam beat good teams once in awhile too and we had some streaks with him too.
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lol jay loses, he has excuses, he wins a few games, he proves he is MUCH better, ill wait n see, i really hope he is, but im not nearly sold yet, Sam beat good teams once in awhile too and we had some streaks with him too.
Isn't the best consecutive at 5?
In 2006 when we lost to NJ and the Nets?

Franchise best around 13? With Carter out?
Lost to Detroit in 5 games( playoff )

Correct me if I'm Wrong.
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:11 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Before we go off on how brilliant Triano is, we should remember that this team was 8-9 with mitchell and is 8-12 under Triano. The last few games have been promising, but we should wait before we anoint Triano the savior.

Edit to add that the recent strong play by Bargs didn't happen because Triano made a decision to start him, it was only after JON went down with an injury.
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:21 PM   #14 (permalink)
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lol...regardless of wins or losses you people cant see we are playing better?
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:35 PM   #15 (permalink)
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People are not scared to make mistakes, which can be good and bad. But so far everybody is bringing it.
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for the first time this year we are actually playing like a real NBA Team. In 08 we were looking so bad out there i couldent believe i was watching an NBA Team. They look lost to say the least, now it seems like our shit has be pt together a little. The team is looking better, we are playing better basketball. And for once Bargs is actually being semi consistant (still gotta do well in a few more before im convinved) This is a better looking team.
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for the first time this year we are actually playing like a real NBA Team. In 08 we were looking so bad out there i couldent believe i was watching an NBA Team. They look lost to say the least, now it seems like our shit has be pt together a little. The team is looking better, we are playing better basketball. And for once Bargs is actually being semi consistant (still gotta do well in a few more before im convinved) This is a better looking team.
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Honestly for me it is not about the wins or losses that much right now. If Triano can keep the team together while incorporating JO and keeping Bargnani from stepping backwards, then he deserves a good deal of credit. I'd just as soon see a big losing streak with Bargnani playing well throughout then seeing wins with his future in question again.
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Honestly for me it is not about the wins or losses that much right now. If Triano can keep the team together while incorporating JO and keeping Bargnani from stepping backwards, then he deserves a good deal of credit. I'd just as soon see a big losing streak with Bargnani playing well throughout then seeing wins with his future in question again.
I'd just as soon see a big winning streak with Bargnani playing well, which i think is the only way this team can string together some wins.

come on LX, buddy give triano some credit, they way they've been moving the ball on offense, and their defensive focus towards pushing guys towards the baseline and clogging the key has paid dividends in generating turnovers, which have lead to some easy baskets, and good transition looks, something that could hardly be said about them playing under mitchell. i liked sam. he was a good coach in a lot of ways, but simply not with this team. you can fault BC for not trying to get players that would've been more suited to mitchell's philosophies and style.
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I'd just as soon see a big winning streak with Bargnani playing well, which i think is the only way this team can string together some wins.

come on LX, buddy give triano some credit, they way they've been moving the ball on offense, and their defensive focus towards pushing guys towards the baseline and clogging the key has paid dividends in generating turnovers, which have lead to some easy baskets, and good transition looks, something that could hardly be said about them playing under mitchell. i liked sam. he was a good coach in a lot of ways, but simply not with this team. you can fault BC for not trying to get players that would've been more suited to mitchell's philosophies and style.
I don't mean to be allergic to giving him credit. It could very well be that the change works out for the best in many ways. But the transition points were very inconsistent until they had to play the backup pgs, and the turnovers for our side have been unacceptable no matter who has been playing.

I agree that this season it was not going to work with Sam and this team, and he was a major part of putting this team together, so he doesn't have a leg to stand on. Still - Triano won't have shown me much of anything other than reacting to the mess that was created by JO's addition and Jose not being healthy or just not able to play aggressively enough. Don't get me wrong - his yelling "run a play" is something I absolutely fell in love with. If he sticks to letting the players play like that then I'm on his side. And if he can keep things running smoothly while incorporating JO, then I'm a huge fan, and I think everyone would have to point to a Triano effect right there.

That doesn't change the fact that my expectations are pretty low, and that I see a tough slog yet ahead. And though I agree that Bargnani playing well should mean good things going forward record-wise, it's just more paramount for me as a fan right now, for him to do well and continue to develop chemistry with the team regardless of what they can achieve record-wise. Again that would be something I could point to as a good effect he would have on this team as it stands.

Otherwise I see something of an albatross being lifted from the team as a whole right now, allowing them to get back to what they had going at points last season. And I'm sure Triano deserves credit for some of that too. Remember that he's been here for a long time and seen as much losing as anyone employed in the league that I can think of. But I don't doubt that he had a good deal to do with the little bit of winning this team has done in recent years.
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