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Old 04-14-2011, 04:24 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Here's an idea - forget about threatening to cut his minutes, and just trade him for someone that doesn't need such threats. Six years and this is the point we're at with this guy?
That's unfair to triano, he's not the gm. If anything, he basically admitted that he doesn't really need Bargnani here, thr's a cue to colangelo.
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Old 04-14-2011, 04:27 PM   #42 (permalink)
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the teams down south think Bargnani is amazing.
But if he is as terrible as you people say, then why would any team be interested in him?

As far as I'm concerned, having a bigman that can stretch the floor is an advantage. On the defensive end, he has the body and the brains to be at the very least a good defender. It's just the matter of having the coaches teach him how to put it all together. Guarding NBA bigmen is not an easy task and doesn't happen over night.
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Old 04-14-2011, 04:30 PM   #43 (permalink)
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But if he is as terrible as you people say, then why would any team be interested in him?

As far as I'm concerned, having a bigman that can stretch the floor is an advantage. On the defensive end, he has the body and the brains to be at the very least a good defender. It's just the matter of having the coaches teach him how to put it all together. Guarding NBA bigmen is not an easy task and doesn't happen over night.
if we do trade him to another team they'll never start him unless they're mentally ill. He'll likely come off the bench if he gets traded to another team. BUT if he decides to play better defence then i'll gladly keep him on this team.
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But if he is as terrible as you people say, then why would any team be interested in him?

As far as I'm concerned, having a bigman that can stretch the floor is an advantage. On the defensive end, he has the body and the brains to be at the very least a good defender. It's just the matter of having the coaches teach him how to put it all together. Guarding NBA bigmen is not an easy task and doesn't happen over night.

Brains......Bargnani? Really? He always looks so dumbfounded, with mouth agaped.
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Old 04-14-2011, 04:33 PM   #45 (permalink)
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But if he is as terrible as you people say, then why would any team be interested in him?

As far as I'm concerned, having a bigman that can stretch the floor is an advantage. On the defensive end, he has the body and the brains to be at the very least a good defender. It's just the matter of having the coaches teach him how to put it all together. Guarding NBA bigmen is not an easy task and doesn't happen over night.
The reason that guarding NBA bigmen doesn't happen over night is why I want him gone. We are already shit on defence and our defensive system is already bad enough.

He is a 7 foot Jamal Crawford. He can either come off the bench or GTFO!
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the teams down south think Bargnani is amazing.
they don't really....i don't know where you got that from
right now, relatively speaking, the Raptors see more value in him then the rest of the league see value in him.
add to the fact that the media portrays him as a soft, jump shooting big man who's a defensive liability (which is true), it hurts his image around the league.

a lot of people say he would be great on another team like the heat or magic. maybe could someone go to a heat or magic forum and ask their fans what they think about bargnani? i would not be surprised if they want nothing to do with him

i want him gone as much as the next barg hater but honestly i think his trade value is shit. so unfortunately we are stuck with him. and in a way its like he's indirectly screwing the team over because of this lol. (which is where most of my hate stems from)
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Old 04-14-2011, 05:33 PM   #47 (permalink)
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don't know if you noticed fanboy but this thread is about defensive contribution
if we talking defensive contribution, then lets name basically every player on the team then, because Bargs SURE isnt alone

just typical over the top barg bashers blaming everything on him
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Your acting like your posts are sooo intelligent. You rave on about how good he is at scoring but don't realize how much he sucks at defence or rebounding or shot blocking. Bargnani is terrible just except it. And if he doesn't play defence next year they'll sit his ass on the bench or trade him. Then i'll come here and laugh at you Bargnani lovers.
If you want to read my posts, you'll see I don't rave about him, but rather preach reason.... I understand he's not a superstar, but he's not paid like one either. He's still young.... he can score yes, he has shown capable defense in the past.... but you're wrong in assuming what I rave about.

and this Bargnani lovers thing is ridiculous..... typical though. Just breathe, Bargnani doesn't hate you.
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If you want to read my posts, you'll see I don't rave about him, but rather preach reason.... I understand he's not a superstar, but he's not paid like one either. He's still young.... he can score yes, he has shown capable defense in the past.... but you're wrong in assuming what I rave about.

and this Bargnani lovers thing is ridiculous..... typical though. Just breathe, Bargnani doesn't hate you.
I can hate whoever I want and I DON'T HATE BARGNANI. This is professional sports. An athlete like Bargnani is getting paid millions and yet he can't put the effort in to grab rebounds or play better defence.
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I can hate whoever I want and I DON'T HATE BARGNANI. This is professional sports. An athlete like Bargnani is getting paid millions and yet he can't put the effort in to grab rebounds or play better defence.
how is this related to my post? My response wasn't even directed in your direction....

hate who you want... I don't care.
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if this is true then i'm happy, especially if ed davis is going to improve overall, particularly on D
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Bargs needs to improve defensively, that goes without saying, and Triano is right in saying that he needs to become a better anchor. HE doesnt do any talking from the back line of the defense at all, and it really upset me how little it appeared he was trying at times this season.

At least in the past he appeared to try, I don't really know what was happening this year and wont even venture a guess at it but I think it is definately something that can be fixed.

And in regards to team defense, yes Bargs has some of the blame, as well as every other player on the team. Bargs was bad on the help side and as a final stand defender but the rest of the team allowed themselves to be beat far to often for even someone like Dwight to stop enough to be a playoff contender.

It just seemed to me like Bargs has run out of gas and I still beleive it is because the team tried to make him something that he isnt. Bargs when he was a rook showed signs of being a great player but every year he has been adding bulk and taking away from himself the things that made him a special player. He needs to get leaner which will bring back some of his quickness and explosiveness that he hasnt had all year. There were many moments when he was caught on a switch guarding a wingplayer at the 3pt line last season and held his own defensively, and he was a much better shot blocker last year as well, the only thing that has changed since then physicaly that I can see is that he is bigger.
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if we talking defensive contribution, then lets name basically every player on the team then, because Bargs SURE isnt alone

just typical over the top barg bashers blaming everything on him
Where am I blaming everything on him. We are talking about his defence. Nothing to do with the team, yes every other player on the team can improve in team defense, but as center you have more responsibility then others. His liability's are out weighing his "lol 22ppg".
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if we talking defensive contribution, then lets name basically every player on the team then, because Bargs SURE isnt alone

just typical over the top barg bashers blaming everything on him
cause when he scores 20 points he allows his match up to get 40 points and 20 rebounds. Bargnani needs to improve on defence or just get the hell outta here before he makes this team worse
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cause when he scores 20 points he allows his match up to get 40 points and 20 rebounds. Bargnani needs to improve on defence or just get the hell outta here before he makes this team worse
ya what about the defensively incompetent guard duo (calderon,derozen) that allow opposing guards to torch them night after night. fuckin eddie house gets 35 points last night, enough said. many other occasions like that throughout the year as well

also, people complain all the time but bargnani's help defense, ya thats fine, fair enough. but also got to look at the big picture. what about the guys that let the opponents drive by, forcing Bargnani into help defending time after time, and ya he doesnt do a good job at it i kno....but its funny i dont see any threads about derozen or caldys d or anybody else failures on the team...just use the best player on the team as a scapegoat time after time..

and lol at ur makes the team worse comment, do u ever stop to think the team's overall lack of talent and experience come into play....look at guys like kevin love, hes an allstar, but are the timberwolves good? fuck no (and no im not comparing Bargs to love, don't want any of the bashers to take quotes of mine out of context as what usually happens) ....point is u need more talent on your team to actually suceed. Bargs isn' the go-to-guy/difference maker... we all kno that, but he is valuable and certainly doesn't make the team any worse by being here, if ur going to throw stats at me, just look at our record without bargs, that aint so good either.

and quit undermining his 22 ppg, people on here act as if any fuckin guy who bounces a ball is capable to putting an offensive year like that, the fact is only a selective group of players are offensively gifted like that and we have one, so lets focus on complaining about the ACTUAL shit players rather than the ones with value that may have an aspect or two you hate...

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let's see what kind of workout routines he'll be doing this summer. let's see if it's just another lie to boost his propaganda.
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That's unfair to triano, he's not the gm. If anything, he basically admitted that he doesn't really need Bargnani here, thr's a cue to colangelo.
yeah - I thought it was pretty obvious that Triano and Colangelo need to work in tandem. That's how it's done right?
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and quit undermining his 22 ppg
it's 21.4 - you can't legitimately round up from there
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Reading post after post.. it's essentially the same thing everyone is saying..

What needs to happen if this team is to work is have Bargnani start at PF or come off of the bench as a PF because CLEARLY he's not the defensive or rebounding anchor he NEEDS to be. We need a real centre that will be the presence in the middle. The problem with this scenario is that he'll eat into Amir and Davis' minutes at the PF. Therefore we need to trade one of our PF's for useful centre (easier said that done seeing as there aren't many, if any, available) because even Amir and Ed shouldn't be playing centre for any significant amount of time. We needed Chandler more than anything, we NEED A CHANDLER!

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Next year is when all shall be revealed; either his minutes will start getting cut, and he'll gripe and demand a trade (which gives him an excuse to get him off our hands), or he'll man up and start averaging 7+ rbs and 1.5 blk to go with his 22+ ppg and then not only will he shut up most of his haters, but contribute moreover in a team sense.
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