Trading a first round pick?
Old 01-01-2009, 03:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Trading a first round pick?

We don't have a second round pick next summer.But we do have our first round pick.Why are so many here against trading our first round pick?Aren't first round picks usually lottery protected anyway? I would have no issues at all if BC were to trade our first rounder(if lottery protected) for someone young with potential rather then risking getting another Joey Graham type of pick in the middle of the first round. It's always a crap shoot.

For example i would trade our first rounder for a player like Belinelli. He's only 23 and is starting to come into his own.He can shoot, creat his own shot and is a great passer.
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Old 01-01-2009, 03:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Lotto protected is usually the case, but i dont know if we suck 2 years in a row, i think u might lose the pick that way (not sure tho). Honestly, i could draft a player better then Belinelli right now, SJ.
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I'd rather trade the pick when the draft happens, that way we know the value and then we can trade it for a plyer we need.
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Old 01-01-2009, 04:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'd rather trade the pick when the draft happens, that way we know the value and then we can trade it for a plyer we need.

That plus we can always trade someone down the line for a mid-late first round pick.
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Belinelli could fit the raptors. He and il mago can have some synergy.
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Old 01-01-2009, 05:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Why the hell would we trade a draft pick that right now is looking to be top 10?
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Old 01-01-2009, 05:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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No more trading picks. That's part of what has us in this mess
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Old 01-01-2009, 05:55 PM   #8 (permalink)
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No more trading picks. That's part of what has us in this mess
Agreed, doesn't matter if the draft is classified as 'weak' or not, the point of the draft is to have strong scouting so you can have young, key players on the team cheaply for years to come. Nobody foresaw Brandon Roy being a star, and he ended up being tremendous value for a guy drafted at 6th in a "weak" draft. If this team wasn't so shitty at drafting and focusing on 'under the radar' players all the time under almost all of the Raps' administrations so far, then maybe we shouldn't be stuck with this debacle of a team.
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No more trading picks. That's part of what has us in this mess
How so? The only first round pick we've traded away in the last 4+ years was last year for a trade most here wanted. As for second round picks, who cares? They're crap shoots either way.

What's killed us are picks like Graham, Haffa, Bargnani (to a lesser extent).So it's more the picks themselves then giving up 2nd rounders.
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:52 PM   #10 (permalink)
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i'd keep the first rounder and the second rounder.
there's always a great player(s) that comes out of the second round. ex. rashard lewis, mario chalmers, mo williams, carlos boozer, trevor ariza
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i'd keep the first rounder and the second rounder.
there's always a great player(s) that comes out of the second round. ex. rashard lewis, mario chalmers, mo williams, carlos boozer, trevor ariza
agreed. just look at the spurs w/no.20
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Old 01-02-2009, 12:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I haven't looked into the upcoming draft at all but it's not a hugely talented one apparently... no?
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Yea. The only person I know is Rubio LOL
That's why I say we should trade the pick on draft day

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Old 01-02-2009, 12:57 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Yea. The only person I know is Rubio LOL
That's why I say we should trade the pick on draft day
Rubio is not going to be in the 09 draft, sorry.
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Old 01-02-2009, 01:04 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I haven't looked into the upcoming draft at all but it's not a hugely talented one apparently... no?
Not Horrible though, talent is there.

James Hardin, Jrue Holiday, Stephan Curry, Hasheem Thabeet, Brandon Jennings, Demar Derozan,

and I think Terrance Williams is gonna be a sleeper pick.
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Physically, Williams is an NBA player; plain and simple. At 66 215 pounds, he has great size for the two-guard spot and has the strength to handle banging in the paint and posting up smaller guards. He shows excellent speed in the open floor as well as a great first step that allows him to get into the lane on a regular basis against most defenders. What separates Williams from most college players, though, is his tremendous leaping ability. If he gets out into the open floor by himself, its a safe bet that Williams will put down some kind of highlight reel quality dunk.

After being a fairly one dimensional offensive player early in his career, Williams has developed into a very versatile player with the basketball, even though he still is very far from being considered a great scorer. He has pretty good form on his shot, but has yet to prove himself to be a good shooter, due to his poor shot-selection and inconsistent release point. He connected on a pedestrian number of his perimeter shots last year, just 34% from deep, but what was most concerning was the fact that 41% of his shot attempts were from beyond the arc. Overall, Williams performs much better from mid-range, able to pull up and shoot on a dime. His athleticism allows him to hang in the air and adjust his shot against defenders; his touch on these plays is very solid.

Williams is much more adept as a slasher than he is a perimeter shooter, even though he often abandons this part of his game for long stretches. He has good ball-handling skills, able to attack the basket with either hand; combined with a great first step, he is a handful to stay in front of as a defender. Once in the lane, Williams can elevate with any player in the country to get a good look at the rim. This ability to hang in the air though can sometimes be a hindrance to the senior, deterring him from creating contact with defenders and trying to shoot around them. For a player with his type of athleticism and with how often he goes to the rim, Williams needs to attempt more than just three free throws per forty minutes.

Defensively, Williams proves to be a headache for a lot of opposing teams. With his quickness and length, he is tough to take to the basket, but more importantly deflects a tremendous number of passes. Many times Williams proves to be a one man fast break, intercepting a pass and taking it the other way for an easy flush. He does a tremendous job rebounding the basketball, averaging eight rebounds per forty minutes, an outstanding number for a wing player. A major part of the high number of rebounds he hauled in last season was the fact that Louisville played a lot of zone defense, with Williams often taking one of the forward spots along the baseline.
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Lotto protected is usually the case, but i dont know if we suck 2 years in a row, i think u might lose the pick that way (not sure tho). Honestly, i could draft a player better then Belinelli right now, SJ.
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Jrue Holiday is the second coming of Wade, hopefully for the team that drafts him.

At the end of the year we should know what talent is available and I'm sure it will be better than some are predicting.
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Do not trade that pick at any cost!!!
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Strengths: Talented combo guard with a very smooth all around game ... Makes the game look easy, very focused, steps up his level of play in big situations ... Very determined, competitive player who takes over when it counts ... A scoring point, but has enough pg skills to play the position on the NBA level ... Very quick, athletic and explosive, gets by his man and to the rim with ease ... Shoots the ball well out to college three ... Very good in the full court game, able to find teammates on the break with great vision ... Great competitor, very composed, intelligent decision maker ... Gives good effort on the defensive end of the floor ... Quality kid with a strong work ethic ... Advanced offensively with the ability to pull up off the dribble and he also attacks the rim aggressively ... Plays very mature, under control, doesn't make unnecessary risks to dazzle ...

Weaknesses: Not a true point, more of a combo ... Must continue to develop his point guard skills ... Can learn to become a better floor general, distributing the ball, setting everyone up ... Needs to gain experience ... Must get stronger physically, to be able to finish off drives as well as shoot with more consistency ... His ball handling ability is solid, but can improve ...
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