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Old 01-25-2010, 09:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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If the opportunity comes along to trade derozan for a stud SG, in a package with expiring/jose or combinations, should we go for it?

For example, if Igoudala is on the market (I doubt it - but they keep pushing this rumour), should we give up Derozan and go after him? He would be a great fit for us, with his defense and ability to get to the rim. Jack + Igoudala would be a great defensive combination, and they're also known for their durability.

I think derozan has a great future ahead - but he's at least next season away from really being a key contributor, and somebody like AI would make us really tough overnight.

Would you do it? How about somebody else other than AI (Butler - not that great of a fit as he's really a SF, magette - not even close to being a good defender, martin - same issues)?

We'd have to be foolish to think Calderon can net any of the above by himself, but derozan could really make the package very attractive.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Anyone one the roster is up for trade if the right deal comes along. I'm sure I wouldn't bat an eye to trade Dero for a need.

I wouldn't think Bosh or Bargs would get you anything better and Jack's contract is looking cheap about now. Everyone else is up for debate
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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How old is Iggy?
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Nah I'm against trading Dero even if it means speeding up the process of contending. DeMar works hard, listens, and has great natural talent. That's a sick combination, let's wait for him to develop.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i was thinking about this last night during the game. i remember when charlotte traded away kobe for divac and eddie jones. one of the greatest of all time for what turns out to be journeymen. sometimes you have to hold on to the potentials at the cost of a right now.
i think derozan has a lot going for him. if i'm the GM i give him a couple of off-seasons to grow, get stronger, and learn the idiosyncrasies of the game that the great ones master when moving their game to the next level.
if i'm the coach then if he's giving good minutes i see how he does in late game scenarios, defensively. i see his attention to execution, to being in the correct spots for specific play calls that predetermine the success of the play.

after all that, then maybe i think about trading him. he's one of those rare rookies with a really nice mid-range game. you need that balance on a team with a bunch of guys who play behind the arc.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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In order for this team to go up we have to build on youth.

Portland, Memphis, OKC, Sacramento, etc.

I really don't like getting veterens anymore who are probably going to take sometime to adjust to the Toronto system rather than getting rookies to adjust right away and are cheaper.

Derozan should be part of Toronto's cast in the future
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
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We aren't winning dick all this year, so why risk the future to win a few extra games and maybe at best a round in the playoffs?

DeMar has already improved by leaps and bounds since the start of the season. If he continues to improve at this rate, he could become a very nice player for us down the road.
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AI is averaging 17.5 points, 7 boards, 6 assists and 2 steals per game and is one of the better defenders in the league? I'd consider it for him, but not the others.
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I wouldn't trade him for Bulter, but I'd consider Iguodala..
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i was thinking about this last night during the game. i remember when charlotte traded away kobe for divac and eddie jones. one of the greatest of all time for what turns out to be journeymen. sometimes you have to hold on to the potentials at the cost of a right now.
i think derozan has a lot going for him. if i'm the GM i give him a couple of off-seasons to grow, get stronger, and learn the idiosyncrasies of the game that the great ones master when moving their game to the next level.
if i'm the coach then if he's giving good minutes i see how he does in late game scenarios, defensively. i see his attention to execution, to being in the correct spots for specific play calls that predetermine the success of the play.

after all that, then maybe i think about trading him. he's one of those rare rookies with a really nice mid-range game. you need that balance on a team with a bunch of guys who play behind the arc.
I'd still trade Kobe right now if I knew I was receiving Divac in return..I mean, he was stellar in Space Jam.
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'd still trade Kobe right now if I knew I was receiving Divac in return..I mean, he was stellar in Space Jam.
Totally agree........i mean how many players take 5 from a practice to go outside and hack a butt before the scrimmage games? Divac was pure gold, pure gold!


On the original topic..........why wouldn't you trade Derozan for an above average shooting guard that could potentially take us to bigger and better places in the next few years as opposed to DeRo who is going to take a few years to become the same? And i think the Demar/ Kobe talk is crap.........if Demar becomes HALF the player Kobe is we would be lucky.
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:29 PM   #12 (permalink)
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DeRozan has not shown me anything so far to suggest he can be an above-average starter in this league. His athleticism is greatly over-rated (is it just me or has VC spoiled us all rotten in that regard?), he has not been any good defensively and his long-range shot is quite suspect. Not to say that he couldn't improve on the last two, but if a deal is suggested with DD and Iggy as centerpieces, I'd be all over that.
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Totally agree........i mean how many players take 5 from a practice to go outside and hack a butt before the scrimmage games? Divac was pure gold, pure gold!


On the original topic..........why wouldn't you trade Derozan for an above average shooting guard that could potentially take us to bigger and better places in the next few years as opposed to DeRo who is going to take a few years to become the same? And i think the Demar/ Kobe talk is crap.........if Demar becomes HALF the player Kobe is we would be lucky.

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Old 01-25-2010, 10:38 PM   #14 (permalink)
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thats the kind of trade that leads to GMs loosing their jobs one day. no need to rush just to get Bosh to stay. we can get good value for him cause he wants to sign and trade, enough people are willing to pay the max, he wants a larger market cause he be in bidness'

I think Bargs is gonna be a better PF longterm anywho
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:48 PM   #15 (permalink)
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DeRozan has not shown me anything so far to suggest he can be an above-average starter in this league. His athleticism is greatly over-rated (is it just me or has VC spoiled us all rotten in that regard?), he has not been any good defensively and his long-range shot is quite suspect. Not to say that he couldn't improve on the last two, but if a deal is suggested with DD and Iggy as centerpieces, I'd be all over that.
It is a little early but I'm with you on the Derozan take. I just don't think he can carry the mail and will have a hard time doing so consistently
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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divac for kobe on one hand, jeff green for ray allen on the other hand
derozan will be an all star, there's no question about it in my mind (barring injuries etc).

He's gifted , and all indications are that he listens, wants to learn and works hard - if you have the skills and the willingness to put in the time and effort, it's almost impossible not to become very good.

That being said, he's 19, and it might take him 1 or 3 or 5 years to turn into the player he can be.

I would also trade for AI, but nobody else. I would trade for butler, but only with derozan and an expiring, not Calderon and derozan. I wouldn't trade him for the others (magette, martin etc).
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:40 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I would trade Derozan in a heartbeat for Iggy. The only reason you keep him is if you think he can eventually better then Iggy. Which i highly doubt.

Iggy is only 25 and is headed into his prime years and is locked up for another 4 years. I'll take that over a crap shoot with Derozan.

Our team would still be very young:

Jack (25yrs old)
Iggy (25yrs old)
Bosh (26yrs old)- If he stays?
Bargnani (24yrs old)
Belinelli (23yrs old)
Amir (22yrs old)
Weems (23yrs old)
Wright (25yrs old)- If he stays?
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Old 01-26-2010, 12:33 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I do that trade in a heartbeat... and I'm not even much of an Iggy fan.... but he's young and athletic and he just "fits" this team. And he's in his prime along with Bosh and Jack.

It'd be a great fit. Another guy who can defend and handle the ball if need be.
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Old 01-26-2010, 12:39 AM   #19 (permalink)
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If I am trading two assets like DD and Calderon, I want two assets back. Give me Igoudala with the Speights kid. I am with other posters saying we are hoping Derozan becomes better than Igoudala. Why take the chance when you can have the real deal. Your two center pieces (Bosh and Bargnani) are entering their prime, your starting pg is in the same age group, get Iggy now. Mr. Turkey is in his thirties. Boston is getting old, the Iggy acquistion would put us up there with Orlando and Atlanta.
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Old 01-26-2010, 01:34 AM   #20 (permalink)
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To Philly:

DeRozan
Calderon
Banks (2011 expiring)
Nesterovic (2010 expiring)

To Toronto:

Iguodala
Lou Williams

Raps get a PG who can run the floor and shoot so they aren't just giving up Calderon with nothing coming back to replace him. Philly gets a legit PG, DeRozan and a couple expiring deals, Banks could be useful in another trade this off-season as an expiring deal in 2011.
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