Trading Calderon the best option for the Raptors
Old 05-10-2008, 03:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The question was posed during the regular season and will continue throughout this off-season, in all likelihood for another two months.

T.J. or Jose?

Eventually, the Raptors will find out the two can't co-exist, their well-intended plans to meet with all parties notwithstanding.

Eventually, one will have to be moved.

If you're a Raptors fan, you're hoping the team can parlay the depth at the point position into a serviceable piece, at best a rotation player and at the absolute worst someone who doesn't just spot up on the perimeter and heave jumpers.

What the Raptors will discover, likely as soon as July 1 when teams are in a position to offer Calderon, a restricted free agent, a contract, is that Ford is an unmoveable part.

Hindsight is a wonderful tool and upon reflection it is so obvious that the Raptors completely mishandled Ford.

For this, the entire organization is at fault.

There is nothing wrong with Ford that can't be fixed, though.

The Raptors knew Ford's medical history when they traded for him, so forget those arguments of Ford being one fall away from ending his career.

They knew how much he wanted the ball in his hands.

What the Raptors must do is harness Ford, surround him with veterans who understand the game and who have experienced the grind of the post-season.

In the past two springs, Calderon was on the floor when the Raptors needed a basket.

On each sequence, Calderon and Chris Bosh were the primary options. In each case, they came up short, last year's elimination in Game 6 to New jersey and this year's exit against Orlando, when the Calderon-Bosh tandem failed to execute a late-game play in Game 2.

The one thing Ford does that Calderon can't is create his own shot.

For those who want to rip Ford for getting caught up in one-on-one battles, look to Thursday's Game 3 in the West semi-final when Chris Paul tried to exchange baskets with Tony Parker.

Another quality Ford possesses that Calderon doesn't is an assassin's approach.

You want attitude and an edge and Ford has them.

This is by no means a dump Calderon campaign, but the fact remains that Calderon is more coveted around the NBA than Ford.

Calderon is a piece the Raptors must explore in trade scenarios to fill the many holes exposed this past season.

Calderon might even fetch that 20-point-a-night player to complement Bosh.

One thing is certain -- Ford won't.


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Old 05-10-2008, 03:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think everyone in Raptor land is over valuing both our Point Guards. We won't get this 20 ppg scorer with Calderon and we won't get it with TJ Ford. What we need to do is assess which player will be the best compliment when moving forward. That's who we should trade.

This idiotic notion that we'll get an All Star quality player for either is ridiculous.
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Old 05-10-2008, 04:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If calde leaves I will lose a lot of respect for the Raptors.
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Old 05-10-2008, 05:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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seriously, with ford out this year it showed WHY we cannot rely on him. His injury may make him untradeable but he is one asset i'd rather trade for peanuts then to lose caldy.

Caldy is not an allen iverson or jason kidd or steve nash but thats ok. We dont NEED an allstar PG, we need a very good one and thats exactly what he is.

He to this point is not an injury concern like tj (knockin on wood).. I for one dont care for TJ but i think we need them both in their own right...theres times where we need to run and gun and that suits TJ more...

Ya i know, we cant have both because TJ will praly bitch that he isnt starting before caldy will....but at this point, u do what it takes to keep caldy....your offense starts with your PG so you best have a good one.

Who knows what will happen...i think if your smart u keep caldy over tj despite the potential he has...i'd be very pissed to see caldy gone thats for sure
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Old 05-10-2008, 06:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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By the end of the summer Tj will be gone and Roko Ukic will be Jose's backup... with a player from TJ trade and a rookie from a draft Raps might add another veteran and that's it... don't expect more.
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Old 05-10-2008, 06:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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We wont have a 20 point scorer by the end of this summer
we'll get a banger and some picks(maxiell,evans) for Ford
Draft a rookie
Then b4 the trade deadline BC will use his expiring contracts
and trade them to those teams that finally realize ther not going anywhere
for a 20 ppg man

Hmmm...
if that does happen... im thinking 2nd round exit?
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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damn... i'll just be happy if we can make the playoffs next year with the same amaount of ease that we did this year.
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The rockets are missing only one crucial piece, they got a top 2,3,4,5. You can expect to see us as a top contendor for one of your PG. Calderon preferably because i think he fits into our offense better
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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By the end of the summer Tj will be gone and Roko Ukic will be Jose's backup... with a player from TJ trade and a rookie from a draft Raps might add another veteran and that's it... don't expect more.
OK, I won't.
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:11 AM   #10 (permalink)
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If Jose leaves, I will have lost my faith in the Raptors. Get TJ outta here, we could get a better player for him than trading Jose.
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:20 PM   #11 (permalink)
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My problem with trading TJ is the athletically deficient Calderon, and return value?

Calderon can run this offense, when were shooting...he is great at swinging the ball, and using high screen and roles, biggest improvement this year was in his jumpshot range, where off that high pick he is deadly if you go under the screen. But he can't guard ANY starting point guard off the dribble, his lateral quicks are exposed ALL the time, just look at Orlando-Raps tape, Dooling or Nelson would just break him down all the time, forcing a help defender and a dish to Howard for a dunk.

TJ is just an idiot tho, when he drives and kicks our offense runs at its best, and guard wise he is the only player who can consistently attack the basket. On a jump shooting team lacking athleticism does it really make sense to trade away one of your better athletes? But like i said he is an idiot, he should be able to stay in front of everyone in this league, and yet it seems the only player he can shut down is Carlos Arroyo...and i don't think i have to mention his propensity to over dribble...

Look either way we probably need both guards playing at their peak to return to 06-07 record, trading away Ford will probably give you a marginally serviceable piece (unless BC can work some magic), trading away Calderon would give you something effective maybe a 10-15ppg player with upside,
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Old 05-11-2008, 02:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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TJ is gone - no point debating it. With TJ gone, we have to keep calderon.
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Old 05-12-2008, 10:09 AM   #13 (permalink)
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the athletically deficient Calderon

Honestly, you young kids are sheep.

All you here is how fast Ford is, so that makes Calderon deficient.

He's fast, get by his guy easily and for the most part, plays just as good on the ball as most NBA pg's.

Where is he athletically lacking?

He gets back on defence amazingly.
He can push the ball very well if needed.
He can dunk, WELL.


What the hell more do you need????

Oh, I forgot.
TJ FORD.
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One them has to go. Who has the better chance to fetch a better return? Calderon.

TJ isn't a bad point guard. He just plays a bit out of control at times, but it's easy to remedy that. He plays at a breakneck speed that few PG's can keep up with. He did average close to 9 assists per game last season, so he CAN get the job done. And he's a better defender than Calderon.

I just have a feeling that Ford will be the starting point guard when the 08-09 season opens up.
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Old 05-12-2008, 10:17 AM   #15 (permalink)
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either way.

I hope they get something sig. back.

And Ford, he needs range.

If he's here still he had better f%^ing find some.
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Old 05-12-2008, 12:33 PM   #16 (permalink)
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As a fan I can live with Ford, but as a moderator of a Raptors message board I may have to take a sick leave because no offense raptor123, I can't take another entire season of your Ford conspiracies.
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Old 05-12-2008, 12:36 PM   #17 (permalink)
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TJ isn't a bad point guard. He just plays a bit out of control at times, but it's easy to remedy that.
What makes you think so? It's been 4 seasons since he came into the league and the issue is still there...
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Old 05-13-2008, 07:36 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I think it's irelevant whether TJ can become the player he can be. We are in rebuilding mode and we're aiming to be a good/great team for lots of years to come. TJ is too much of a liability with his injuries - while he would fit well in a team that wants to compete now or with a closing window within the next 2 years, for us it makes no sense to gamble on him. If he was 2x better than Jose, then maybe.

Also, I don't think Jose has that much of a trade value yet. He only had one good year - he must first prove he can do it for a full season. I think his conditioning is an issue, because he had a visibly worse second half of the season, probably because he started playing a lot more after TJ went down.
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:40 PM   #19 (permalink)
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the funniest thing I've ever seen is you trying to compare TJ to C PAUL even if it was inadvertant. Mano el mano TJ would do the same thing as Paul, the difference is that Paul finishes and TJ can't.

Everyone thinks you can change TJs penchant for playing out of control ....again ABSURD.

In the end TJs gone if we can get good value.
If we can't...Jose's gone and we'll get great value.
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:12 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I'm just as concerned with Jose's tendency to pick up nagging injuries and have his body breakdown a bit, particularly if he's going to be asked to play big minutes. If Roko is some kind of answer then it could be a long and disappointing season ahead.

Both TJ and Jose have sacrificed for the team, and yet the emphasis in this town is on who starts and how the whole thing is unmanageable. It certainly is longterm as both guys continue to develop, but for half a season or a full season even, it doesn't have to be a huge issue relative to being weak at the position. To me the most important thing for BC is not to be hasty.
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