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Old 05-01-2012, 03:26 PM   #21 (permalink)
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would I trade a #8 pick and 2 bench players for a franchise player? think I'd have to be insane not to take that deal
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:36 PM   #22 (permalink)
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would I trade a #8 pick and 2 bench players for a franchise player? think I'd have to be insane not to take that deal
DD isn't a bench player. Ed might not always be a bench player. our #8 pick might be a franchise player.

if people are going to insist on anthony davis definitely being a franchise player then i will also be optimistic and big up our players.

yes, anthony davis has more chance than our 3 but we have 3! nobody seems to accept that. even if our 3 only marginally improve and none of them makes a big jump, that's 3 good players. I guess i just see things differently. I'm not an all or nothing "must have a franchise player" person and davis is not proven yet. He might only be very good not great, he may have health issues, he may have a personality issue that affects his career. I know there haven't been signs of those things yet but they could still happen.
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Old 05-01-2012, 04:02 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Depends on what position we draft. If we get a top 5 pick I wouldn't trade, but if we get anything higher I'd trade.
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Old 05-01-2012, 04:42 PM   #24 (permalink)
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DD isn't a bench player. Ed might not always be a bench player. our #8 pick might be a franchise player.

if people are going to insist on anthony davis definitely being a franchise player then i will also be optimistic and big up our players.

yes, anthony davis has more chance than our 3 but we have 3! nobody seems to accept that. even if our 3 only marginally improve and none of them makes a big jump, that's 3 good players. I guess i just see things differently. I'm not an all or nothing "must have a franchise player" person and davis is not proven yet. He might only be very good not great, he may have health issues, he may have a personality issue that affects his career. I know there haven't been signs of those things yet but they could still happen.
Good players aren't all that hard to find. Game-changers are. If that is what it takes, you trade everything you have for that game-changer, and find complementary pieces by overspending in FA.

Any chance at a shot of getting a superstar - especially one at the start of his rookie contract, thus allowing you years to put together a supporting cast before he has freedom to leave, is worth taking.
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Good players aren't all that hard to find. Game-changers are. If that is what it takes, you trade everything you have for that game-changer, and find complementary pieces by overspending in FA.

Any chance at a shot of getting a superstar - especially one at the start of his rookie contract, thus allowing you years to put together a supporting cast before he has freedom to leave, is worth taking.
I don't agree but seems i'm getting outweighed in this argument! I've had my say, i will politely step aside now!

out of interest, your take on NYK trading their nice pieces for anthony? They certainly traded everything they had! anthony not a game changer?
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Old 05-01-2012, 04:55 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Depends on what the cost is to move up in the draft. If the Raptors can grab a top-3 pick and only have to deal 1 or 2 bench players and its 1st-round pick, you make the deal. A guy like Davis or MKG could develop into franchise players.

But would people be willing to deal Bargnani and the Raptors' first-round pick for a top-3 pick? I would strongly consider it, but only if it mean drafting Davis or MKG. I have no interest in Robinson, who is an undersized PF and whose potential is that of David West.
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I don't agree but seems i'm getting outweighed in this argument! I've had my say, i will politely step aside now!

out of interest, your take on NYK trading their nice pieces for anthony? They certainly traded everything they had! anthony not a game changer?
They traded everything they had, for a player on a maximum contract, then surrounded him with players who do not complement him at all - I can't imagine a worse fit at PF for Anthony than Stoudemire. Add in that you are bringing in a star at his peak, so you have to compete immediately. Take that 20 million from Amare and spend it on a defensive SF and a pass-first PG, and you're in good shape.

Plus, Anthony is certainly not an ideal game-changer. I would not want him for a franchise player. He impacts the game as a scorer and nothing else. True franchise players do a heck of a lot more. As Davis projects to do.

Compare that to my scenario - trade everything you have for a top player on a rookie scale contract - who will likely be extended to a max contract (but off a rookie scale it is about 12-13M per year) when he is peaking, and have a huge amount of money to surround him, over the course of 4 years, with complementary players.
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They traded everything they had, for a player on a maximum contract, then surrounded him with players who do not complement him at all - I can't imagine a worse fit at PF for Anthony than Stoudemire. Add in that you are bringing in a star at his peak, so you have to compete immediately. Take that 20 million from Amare and spend it on a defensive SF and a pass-first PG, and you're in good shape.

Plus, Anthony is certainly not an ideal game-changer. I would not want him for a franchise player. He impacts the game as a scorer and nothing else. True franchise players do a heck of a lot more. As Davis projects to do.

Compare that to my scenario - trade everything you have for a top player on a rookie scale contract - who will likely be extended to a max contract (but off a rookie scale it is about 12-13M per year) when he is peaking, and have a huge amount of money to surround him, over the course of 4 years, with complementary players.
i didn't like the anthony trade when it happened. It had enough in it for Denver that a minority questioned it, i don't remember many people saying they didn't think the fit would work for NYK tho.

you always make your points with sound logic, i honestly think my logic for not doing it is sound as well tho. I really will step aside now.
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:47 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Who the hell are the people that clicked "trade up now before the lottery". Seriously... that's just a reckless and crazy idea.
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:49 PM   #30 (permalink)
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absolutely, if we can get a starting forward with the pick we receive.
Even if Davis develops into a starter down the road, we are better off with a starting F than a starting PF.
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:51 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Depends on what the cost is to move up in the draft. If the Raptors can grab a top-3 pick and only have to deal 1 or 2 bench players and its 1st-round pick, you make the deal. A guy like Davis or MKG could develop into franchise players.

But would people be willing to deal Bargnani and the Raptors' first-round pick for a top-3 pick? I would strongly consider it, but only if it mean drafting Davis or MKG. I have no interest in Robinson, who is an undersized PF and whose potential is that of David West.
no way you do this trade, Bargnani is worth more than just an upgrade
bargnani for the #3 pick is a fairer trade, maybe throw a 2nd rounder in the deal
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I'm not sold that it's a must do trade. What if Davis ends up being a Noah-type player? That's not good enough. He's still a raw prospect... he may not pan out for 5 years and by then he'll be ready to leave!
Agreed he will take much time to get bigger & be able to produce...

But he could put up Camby like numbers right away?

No way BC & company trade DD, Davis & Pick...Now if we could trade Davis & our pick for for a # 2 pick I would be fine with that as well.
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Old 05-01-2012, 10:01 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Bargs + 1st this year + next year 1st for AD is coming closer to a deal.
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Old 05-01-2012, 10:14 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Bargs + 1st this year + next year 1st for AD is coming closer to a deal.
no way whoever wins the first pick does this.
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Old 05-01-2012, 10:48 PM   #35 (permalink)
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You guys are real loyal. Anthony Davis is overrated.
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:28 AM   #36 (permalink)
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You guys are real loyal. Anthony Davis is overrated.
all number 1 picks are overrated to some extent. but at least he the clear number 1. i don't know for sure but i'm willing to bet that in drafts where their were clear number 1s, they all turned out pretty well.
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all number 1 picks are overrated to some extent. but at least he the clear number 1. i don't know for sure but i'm willing to bet that in drafts where their were clear number 1s, they all turned out pretty well.
Greg Oden
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:19 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Oden was the clear #1?
can't see in to the future with injuries. dude was a decent player
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:33 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I do believe that Odom is not a good example, but rather a sad exception. He was a consensus #1, the next monster centre, who inexplicably succumbed to injuries even before his career had a chance to start. Noone could have predicted that without some sort of time machine, unlike Roy's knee trouble, for instance.
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