Trade for a PG or combo guard?
Old 11-21-2008, 02:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Since Ukic's progress will take longer than expected and already veteran 'rookie' Solomon is showing that he will be a gamble (although I think he will pull himself together in time), should we trade one of these guys plus someone for a PG or combo guard? It is difficult to find a good PG in the NBA but maybe an experienced guard with playoff experience could be found. Yes, too bad we missed the chance to sign free-agent Brevin Knight last summer.
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Since Ukic's progress will take longer than expected and already veteran 'rookie' Solomon is showing that he will be a gamble (although I think he will pull himself together in time), should we trade one of these guys plus someone for a PG or combo guard? It is difficult to find a good PG in the NBA but maybe an experienced guard with playoff experience could be found. Yes, too bad we missed the chance to sign free-agent Brevin Knight last summer.
pg is the toughest position in ball.do we feel sam can teach a pg to play that spot?.no.so sam lets pg's go out there and freestyle.they probe and p n r. jose is an above average pg so we can get away with it and will and roko are rooks.they are overwhelmed with the responsibility,hence the turnovers and shoddy play of both....no plays,no structure,no guidance....no parental figure.....we need a coach who takes the blame not blames them after losses.

in conclusion,a coach who'd instill confidence and command would suffice.
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No coach teaches a PG how to dribble or pass but they will of course command on them otherwise the whole offense would be commanded by the PG or whoever has the ball in their hands. Hmm, wait a second doesn't that really sound a bit like Raptors' offence?!!

You're right, any manager is a bad manager when they blame people under their position. Players won't play for a coach who tries to save hiss ass. In the end, that ass can't be saved.
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pg is the toughest position in ball.do we feel sam can teach a pg to play that spot?.no.so sam lets pg's go out there and freestyle.they probe and p n r. jose is an above average pg so we can get away with it and will and roko are rooks.they are overwhelmed with the responsibility,hence the turnovers and shoddy play of both....no plays,no structure,no guidance....no parental figure.....we need a coach who takes the blame not blames them after losses.

in conclusion,a coach who'd instill confidence and command would suffice.
So he's had no record of developing pg's, or he's got a very good record with developing pg's? Think about it. And think about the ridiculous statement about blaming them after losses. If you're going to throw shit like that against the wall and expect it to stick, then please provide some evidence.

And do they go out there and freestyle, or do they go out there and play basketball? No guidance? No parental figure? Wow - it's hard to fathom just what is going on in your mind. I suppose Sam should just come out and say that it was his fault that Will fouled at half-court with a second left on the clock.

I don't see how either backup is exactly overwhelmed. They've both been able to stretch leads. But they are also both a little fragile due to inexperience, and the way that other teams are exploiting that by applying constant pressure. They need to get to know their team as well as the NBA, so they have a little steeper climb to make than most. But neither one has looked like they are lacking in confidence as you suggest. If anything Solomon has a little too much confidence.
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pg is the toughest position in ball.do we feel sam can teach a pg to play that spot?.no.so sam lets pg's go out there and freestyle.they probe and p n r. jose is an above average pg so we can get away with it and will and roko are rooks.they are overwhelmed with the responsibility,hence the turnovers and shoddy play of both....no plays,no structure,no guidance....no parental figure.....we need a coach who takes the blame not blames them after losses.

in conclusion,a coach who'd instill confidence and command would suffice.
It's funny that Rafer, Mike James and TJ all had career years and Jose has become an All-Star candidate in Toronto...all under Mitchell.

I suppose that's all in spite of him though.
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Here's a good question: WHere do we have the assets to acquire a PG or a combo guard?
Here's the answer: WE DON'T.
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Here's a good question: WHere do we have the assets to acquire a PG or a combo guard?
Here's the answer: WE DON'T.
What about Kapono? He's NBA's best 3 point shooter. And maybe plus someone if we're getting someone really good. But we should not dump a lot of salary on the backup PG or CG.
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You are putting WAY too much value in Kapono.
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After scouring the NBA for names these are the names that I think about as a back up pg that we could somehow maybe trade for:

Aaron Brooks
Kyle Lowry
Ronnie Price
Brevin Knight
Bobby Jackson

I'm not crazy on any of them really and Lowry would likely cost us a substantial player. I think we're stuck with this situation.
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I don't see the backup pg as a priority. As long as Jose is playing, we'll be ok, and both will and roko can only go up from where they are now. By April, they should be more competent in that backup position. I know that when Jose goes down, we are most likely in deep shit, but the reality is that you will not find a pg out there to make up for that loss anyway. What we need right now is either a defensive specialist at the 3, or at least a better all around player at that position.
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as long as Jose is playing his minutes i don't see why we need a backup PG, sure will has been poor as of late and ukic is still learning, but if you look at most nba teams you'll notice that the backup PGs are pretty useless as well, sure the raptor backups are comparably weaker backups than some of the nba backups but in general it is pretty on par with most teams
just look at spurs with tony parker out, their backup is pretty useless too, deron williams out for utah, rockets in general don't even have a good PG, all these teams are considered good teams and their backups are just as bad if not worse.
we just need better wing players in general
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I dunno. You look at Boston last year and one of the biggest moves they made was adding Sam Cassell to back up Rondo and provide that steady hand in the playoffs. It was an underrated move but a good one and made them a better team able to handle a pressure situation with a young PG. We don't have that type of player right now.
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After scouring the NBA for names these are the names that I think about as a back up pg that we could somehow maybe trade for:

Aaron Brooks
Kyle Lowry
Ronnie Price
Brevin Knight
Bobby Jackson

I'm not crazy on any of them really and Lowry would likely cost us a substantial player. I think we're stuck with this situation.
Ronnie Price is really good, I think he's looking to be a starter. Kyle Lowry will good be a good pick-up if the Raptors could get him
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It's funny that Rafer, Mike James and TJ all had career years and Jose has become an All-Star candidate in Toronto...all under Mitchell.

I suppose that's all in spite of him though.
mike james=chucker extraordinaire,thx sam for allowin that shit...where is he now?
rafer=sam and him butt heads,why,cuz they both idiots and sams lawlessness caused rafer to think he was at rucker park...look at him now under a real coach.
tj=mej,ball hogger of epic proportions who froze out his teamates. sam let him think he was michael jordan.

thx for making my point for me.

also,sam nearly destroyed jose,jose only got confidence when he won the worlds right after his disastrous first season with us with spain that summer and came back with a "fugg u, im the shit attittude that sam could never shake".
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I like Ukic. He's just got to slow things down a bit. If he's not making a pass, he's going full speed. Once he gets some strength and finds a few different speeds, he'll be a decent back up.
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I like Ukic. He's just got to slow things down a bit. If he's not making a pass, he's going full speed. Once he gets some strength and finds a few different speeds, he'll be a decent back up.
I agree with this completely and you see spurts of it when he calms the heck down in games. Everything runs smoothly.

I'd personally, just like that guy on the end of the bench, a veteran that could just teach him the small nuances. I know he talks to Mike Evans a lot but a guy who is playing the game right now and talking to him, would make him better imo. Darrick Martin talking to Jose in his rookie season and teaching him things, made Jose a better player.
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I don't see the backup pg as a priority. As long as Jose is playing, we'll be ok, and both will and roko can only go up from where they are now. By April, they should be more competent in that backup position. I know that when Jose goes down, we are most likely in deep shit, but the reality is that you will not find a pg out there to make up for that loss anyway. What we need right now is either a defensive specialist at the 3, or at least a better all around player at that position.
Yea same. I think it would be better for the Raps to acquire a SF before getting a PG
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mike james=chucker extraordinaire,thx sam for allowin that shit...where is he now?
rafer=sam and him butt heads,why,cuz they both idiots and sams lawlessness caused rafer to think he was at rucker park...look at him now under a real coach.
tj=mej,ball hogger of epic proportions who froze out his teamates. sam let him think he was michael jordan.

thx for making my point for me.

also,sam nearly destroyed jose,jose only got confidence when he won the worlds right after his disastrous first season with us with spain that summer and came back with a "fugg u, im the shit attittude that sam could never shake".
What point did I make for you? Mike James talked his way out of town, Rafer is a nutjob and TJ is a very good player.

Sam nearly destroyed Jose? Please provide examples of this...I'm curious.
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I don't know about Brooks, C.. the Rox are very high on him.
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mike james=chucker extraordinaire,thx sam for allowin that shit...where is he now?
rafer=sam and him butt heads,why,cuz they both idiots and sams lawlessness caused rafer to think he was at rucker park...look at him now under a real coach.
tj=mej,ball hogger of epic proportions who froze out his teamates. sam let him think he was michael jordan.

thx for making my point for me.

also,sam nearly destroyed jose,jose only got confidence when he won the worlds right after his disastrous first season with us with spain that summer and came back with a "fugg u, im the shit attittude that sam could never shake".
Rafer was useless and rejected as useless by many "real" coaches before Sam got to him, and forced him to lose the streetballer approach. His career could very well have been over if he hadn't started putting it together under Sam.

Mike James was great for half a season before he decided he was the best player in the league. Still Sam got some wins out of him, on a team that had a lot of holes. James has been on some very good teams since and not been able to contribute anything.

And TJ froze out his teammates? You missed all the assists he racked up? Sam almost destroyed Jose? That one made me feel stupid even responding but what the hell. I mean you've got no point to make. You're just throwing feces against the wall as I've said before.
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