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Old 11-27-2012, 10:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Оля, he has actually improved quite a bit even when compared to last season, let alone his rookie year. This game wasn't one of his best, but his defense, his passing and his post game appear to have taken a leap forward so far this season.

That is not to say he couldn't be traded in a right deal.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:41 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Incorrect.

I want to consider trading DeMar for the three reasons you quoted in your post (lol?). I believe he would get us a good return, especially when packaged with other players in our roster we might want to move.

I like DeMar. But he's not much better than his rookie season, just more mins and higher usage.
If you think that Demar was this good in his rookie season then you've got a serious gap in your memory lol.

His ball-handling is better.

He has a post-up game now.

His passing has improved.

He's bigger and stronger.

He's a better rebounder.

He's a better defender.

His mid-range game is better.


I don't think that there's a single facet of his game that hasn't improved... other than maybe his dunking ability.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Lowry is reminding me of Mike James the more I watch him..

They work hard to get a defensive stop, then he runs and takes a deep pull up 3, wtf>??
He took three 3pt attempts the whole game. Two when the game was already out of hand. I could care less. I'm more worried about the fact that he just doesn't look right.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:43 PM   #24 (permalink)
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It's amazing how quick fans will jump on and of bandwagons. Ross has a very good game, trade Demar because Ross can be very, very good. BI-POLAR

Some of this fanbase < FACEPALM

Who will start the next trade (insert player) thread?
It's amazing how quickly jeffb will sensationalise/patronise an individuals thoughts on a thread and stereo type them as a 'Raptor Fan'.

Back to talking to everyone else :-


In order to get good players back, we have to give up assets ourself. We're not going to get a good player otherwise. I personally feel we could cope with the loss of DeMar and even improve as a squad if that meant we got borderline all-star return for a position in need. Perhaps a SF for example, or a new look front court.
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DD is untouchable
well... for what he would fetch right now, yeah. but noone in the NBA barring James, and Durant, is untouchable. coincidentally they're both SF's! let's offer Bargnani plus jose guys! one of em gotta bite!
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He took three 3pt attempts the whole game. Two when the game was already out of hand. I could care less. I'm more worried about the fact that he just doesn't look right.
This. Good God people are getting out of hand now....
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and stereo type them as a 'Raptor Fan'.
You're not a Raptor fan?
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:47 PM   #28 (permalink)
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It's amazing how quickly jeffb will sensationalise/patronise an individuals thoughts on a thread and stereo type them as a 'Raptor Fan'.

Back to talking to everyone else :-


In order to get good players back, we have to give up assets ourself. We're not going to get a good player otherwise. I personally feel we could cope with the loss of DeMar and even improve as a squad if that meant we got borderline all-star return for a position in need. Perhaps a SF for example, or a new look front court.
yeah let's just give up in a package for example, derozan and bargnani, our two best players, for one slightly better player in say, gay (even though they wouldn't take that). simple math says two slightly worse threats is better than one slightly better threat. and this is all ignoring the fact that Bargnani is probably better offensively than gay and Derozan will be at gay's level, if not better, within 2 seasons, let alone how much is defence will get better...


sheesh!
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:47 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I'm not your version of a Raptor fan, no.
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In order to get good players back, we have to give up assets ourself. We're not going to get a good player otherwise. I personally feel we could cope with the loss of DeMar and even improve as a squad if that meant we got borderline all-star return for a position in need. Perhaps a SF for example, or a new look front court.
Name someone then (that we could realistically receive in a trade).

And DON'T say "Oh I dunno... just someone GOOD".

Be specific.
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This. Good God people are getting out of hand now....
it's not too too out of hand, the three point shot brought up. mike james comparison, yeah, that was out of hand. But I am questioning lowry's shot selection a bit lately. he's taken near two 3 point shots off a screen early in the shotclock in most games recently, which most of the time haven't went in. we know he's a great shooter, but even ray allen has trouble with that. If it's his ankle bothering him so he's settling on not driving, maybe it's better to let him rest? kleiza never looked the same and he could have been awesome for this team but we made him play on...
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:51 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Hmmm, how can we change this to a hate Bargnani thread?
haha, there it is again dude. did i try to bash bargnani? all i did was state opinion, he's a streaky player that can't defend. as to how that means i hate him is beyond me.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:52 PM   #33 (permalink)
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yeah let's just give up in a package for example, derozan and bargnani, our two best players, for one slightly better player in say, gay (even though they wouldn't take that). simple math says two slightly worse threats is better than one slightly better threat. and this is all ignoring the fact that Bargnani is probably better offensively than gay and Derozan will be at gay's level, if not better, within 2 seasons, let alone how much is defence will get better...


sheesh!

At this point I'm thinking him packaged with some other expensive players in our squad in return for expiring s and picks would be better going forward right now.
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haha, there it is again dude. did i try to bash bargnani? all i did was state opinion, he's a streaky player that can't defend. as to how that means i hate him is beyond me.
my bad.

As far as DD, move him to the three.... his game is more suited for it.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:54 PM   #35 (permalink)
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At this point I'm thinking him packaged with some other expensive players in our squad in return for expiring s and picks would be better going forward right now.
So essentially you want to blow the team up and build around JV and Ross?
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Name someone then (that we could realistically receive in a trade).

And DON'T say "Oh I dunno... just someone GOOD".

Be specific.
Come on... the complexities of multiple team picks/expirings/players is so vast. I'm not gonna sweat working loads out just so you guys can trash them.
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as benzo mentioned i think dd is virtually untouchable unless there is a significantly better replacement returning. he's averaging under 20 a game without a jump shot which is pretty impressive.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:55 PM   #38 (permalink)
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So essentially you want to blow the team up and build around JV and Ross?
Ha ha!

OMG why does everyone try to sensationalise what people write in here?

BLOW UP THE TEAM? wtf lol. Even if we did blow it up, what are we losing? This team is playing awful.
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as benzo mentioned i think dd is virtually untouchable unless there is a significantly better replacement returning. he's averaging under 20 a game without a jump shot which is pretty impressive.
he does take a fair amount of jumpshots though... but yeah, he isn't a problem... he's getting better.
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So essentially you want to blow the team up and build around JV and Ross?
If championship is the goal, I'd do it.
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