"Trade Bosh Now"
Old 06-17-2008, 11:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Interesting read ... the writer has some interesting points regarding Bosh and why we should deal him now and not later.

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no really…TRADE Bosh NOW!

Now wait, before any of you panic, close this blog and write me off as crazy…listen to what I have to say:

First off, I love Bosh - think he’s awesome and the core of this franchise - BUT I don’t think he can win a title all by himself (after all neither could KG - and neither can Kobe). And after seeing him disappear in 2 straight playoffs and letting his team get their buts kicked by a lack of intensity and scoring, I’m open to the idea of reshuffling the deck in order to put the best team on the court in October. And lets face it, trading Bosh could fill a lot of holes in this Raptors roster - thinking of it as trading an Ace for a pair of kings ( or heck, even three 10s).

This team is further away from contending than just one player and with the buyout of Garbo coming and 1 of the point guards leaving, it becomes apparent that the Raps need to fill several holes in order to really contend in the East with the big dogs like Boston, Detroit, and even teams like Cleveland and Orlando.

So after reading all over the internet about just how much Carmelo Anthony, Richard Jefferson, or Shawn Marion might be worth in a trade, here’s a crazy idea: how much do you think a team might pay for a 24 year 2 time all star and top 5 power forward in the league. Me thinks its pretty darn high, especially in a summer when sooo many teams are looking to make deals.

The truth is BC doesn’t have the Cahones to trade Bosh, in fact, he’s never traded anyone risky- sure he traded Marbury, Joe Johnson, and Jkidd, but one was a whiner, one was a beater, and the other signed a contract with ATL and forced his hand…and in retrospect he lost all of those trades. Small trades- Colangelo can make - and is king - like Araujo for Humphries- but big trades- cant see him doing it.

If the Raps were to make 3 moves- one : trade Bosh, two: trade Calderon, and three: bring in a new coach- this team could win 60 games and the East next year. After all, who has more trade value in the NBA right now than Bosh and Calderon? You can keep TJ and start him (after all he had a PER over 20 last year, which is all star numbers), you can move Bargnani to the 4, which is his natural position and find out what the #1 overall pick is really worth- and then you can bring in all the gold that Bosh and Calderon would attract in the open market. Add this to a proven coach, like a Jeff Van Gundy, Avery Johnson, or (sigh- dare I say it-) Flip Saunders and you have team who has to be viewed as a legitimate championship contender.

Carazy? Fuck yeah! But you know what..why not. Teams need to take chances to win. And lets face it, the old way of doing it, just isn’t working.

So, here are 3 crazy deals for Bosh and Calderon that work for both teams and are sure to get the internet rumour mills going (and that work salary cap wise)

#1 - Miami and Toronto:
To the Raps:
Marion
The #2 pick
And Udonis Haslem

To the Heat:
Bosh
Calderon (sign and trade)
And Anthony Parker

Raps starting five:
Rasho
Bargnani/Haslem
Matrix
OJ Mayo/Derrick Rose (whomever you draft with the #2)
TJ Ford

#2 - Chicago and Toronto
To the Raps:
Deng (sign and trade)
The #1 pick
Noah

To the Bulls:
Bosh
#17
Jamario Moon

Raps starting five:
Rasho/Noah
Bargnani
Deng
Derrick Rose (who you draft with the #1)
TJ Ford

AND you still get to trade Calderon for more pieces.

#3 - Denver and Toronto:
To the Raps:
Melo
Camby

To the Nuggets:
Bosh
Calderon

Raps starting five:
Camby
Bargnani
Melo
CDR who you draft with #17 or whomever you trade Rasho’s expiring contract for
TJ Ford

#4 - Detroit and Toronto
To the Raps:
Prince
Wallace
#29 pick

To the Pistons:
Bosh
Rasho
Parker

Raps starting five:
Wallace
Bargnani
Prince
whomever you trade Calderon for
TJ Ford

See what I mean. You could play this game all day long. The truth is…if you wanted to trade BOTH Calderon and Bosh - you could build a pretty darn solid team.

As always, standing in the key, I’m the doctor, I got my feet planted and I’m planning on taking a charge.
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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After all, who has more trade value in the NBA right now than Bosh and Calderon?
Lebron, Kobe, Paul, Melo to name a few...
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I like it except i'd rather trade TJ, keep Jose here.
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:55 AM   #4 (permalink)
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In all those scenarios, the poster is giving up A LOT. I thought about trading Bosh to Miami for the #2 pick and Marion. Putting in Calderon for Haslem is just fuckin nuts.
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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it's nice to dream i suppose. not happening though. all of the roster changes suggested merely look better because their different and new. The best way a team gets better is by guys playing together, making mistakes and growing together. Granted the core of this team is suspect, but I think there's still potential for something here. All of this stuff is a moot point if Bargs develops.
It's too soon to blow it up. Especially since we have a lot of cap space after next season. Carmelo signed a six-year extension, as opposed to the three year deal bosh, wade, and lebron signed. So we're taking on more money to work in a new roster. I'm not sold on the idea of blowing it up, but if there's something out there I guess you got to listen and consider based on last year's mediocrity.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:01 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Um.

he askes the question;
here’s a crazy idea: how much do you think a team might pay for a 24 year 2 time all star and top 5 power forward in the league.

Exactly.

So why trade one if you have one?
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:04 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Um.

he askes the question;
here’s a crazy idea: how much do you think a team might pay for a 24 year 2 time all star and top 5 power forward in the league.

Exactly.

So why trade one if you have one?
WOW, I thought if there was going to be one poster here that would support Bosh being dealt it would be his most critical supporter (or lack there of) you SJ.

What gives? Change of heart?
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Honestly, SJ has a great point.

Without rehashing the argument, WHY would you do this type of a trade? We already know you don't receive value, so in essence why would you trade a young player who's near the top of his position for 3 players who are in the middle of their position? Also, basketball is played from the inside out so why would you trade a big man?

I agree that Bosh lacks something to take him to the "great" level and as fans we want those "great" players (i.e. see LeBron, ugh) but we still have a VERY good player here. None of this makes any sense to me and it just reaks of a guy who really doesn't know the first thing about how the game is played and secondly lacks a keen business sense.

I guess that's what you get in Toronto though.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The reasoning is simple. Do we want 1 great player or 2-3 very good players - and to address different areas - i think that's what it boils down to. Sometimes you have to give up your best asset to get what you need.
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I'm not sure how he figures that Marion and the #2 is worth Bosh AND Calderon, but Deng and the #1 is worth just Bosh and #17/Moon? I don't know about you guys, but I'd take Deng and the #1 over Marion and the #2.

Anyways, we're not trading Bosh, but my fantasy deal if we did was giving up Bosh and Garbo's expiring for Gerald Wallace, Okafor, and the #9 pick. Calderon, Wallace, and a Bargnani/Okafor frontcourt that would potentially be a perfect fit, along with whoever we get for TJ and whoever we pick at #9, is a team I like. Still extremely young (Gerald Wallace is still like 25) and a good mix of offense, defense, and toughness. If Bargnani became a star we'd contend with that lineup, while I think if Bargnani became a star at the C spot like we're hoping for him to now (which I think is unlikely anyways), we'd be too poor at d and rebounding to really go all the way anyways.

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The reasoning is simple. Do we want 1 great player or 2-3 very good players - and to address different areas - i think that's what it boils down to. Sometimes you have to give up your best asset to get what you need.
Oh, I get that, but in this case do we really see the need to trade a great player?

Detroit was built by adding one or two very good players, but it wasn't until they added a guy like Sheed, who had the capability of being great on many nights, that propelled them.

And really, that's what you should do with your other assets and that usually comes through by drafting well and making key signings. I don't think it's good business to go ahead and trade your best player unless you have someone waiting in the wings or are going to be significantly better. I could be wrong, but I never see these trades working out well. The last trade could be dealing Shaq for Odom and Butler and change but that worked out very poorly.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:07 PM   #12 (permalink)
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you ONLY trade Bosh for another superstar of the same caliber playing a different position, or for a once a decade #1 pick like Oden. You DO NOT trade Bosh for a #2 pick in a draft without a clear-cut #1. I wouldn't trade Bosh for Marion, haslem AND the #2 pick, including Calderon in that trade is downright crazy ....
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If someone offered me Marion, Haslem and the #2, I would take that deal and run.
Marion is already a very good player. Haslem is incredibly solid - and Beasley (IMO) will be a great player. He's a brash player and backs it up. CB4 is a fantastic player, don't get me wrong, but he's not that "Type-1" player, he's more of a "Type-1A".
I'd then look into dealing Marion/Ford/Expiring/#17 for Okafor and #9. And with the #9 I'd take Russell Westbrook.
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I didn't read it...

..but I would have traded Bosh a year ago.
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Hoops, I honestly am not that excited about Beasley. I think he'll be a nice player, but nothing screams out to me, MUST have about him. Again, I could be completely wrong, but I think he's a player that stands out because of a draft class that has so many solid players, he's just that much better.
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Hoops, I honestly am not that excited about Beasley. I think he'll be a nice player, but nothing screams out to me, MUST have about him. Again, I could be completely wrong, but I think he's a player that stands out because of a draft class that has so many solid players, he's just that much better.
I guess the reason why I'm so much on the Beasley bandwagon, C, is because this guy had one of the most dominating seasons in college basketball - as a freshman. We saw what Kevin Durant could do. Beasley will be just as a good player as Durant. He scores - either by jumper or slashing to the rim, plus he can board - something we've been looking for.
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Apparantly dumb as a brick though.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:52 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I wouldn't say dumb.. maybe aloof, but Sam and Co. will kick his arse, so all of those problems will iron out.
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why is this a discusion of debate...

Bosh aint going nowhere and nowhere is a alot of time

the point of Bosh is to build around him...Bosh is a great player and he needs Good players to play along with him...Bosh is aperfect fit for the team and our style of play...if u get him the components he needs he will go far
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why is this a discusion of debate...
Because its the off-season and Raptor news is at a minimum right now. So, if there's nothing notable to talk about, then let's make-up news.
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