Trade Bargnani – NOW!
Old 02-21-2013, 06:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have read quite a lot about the Bargnani trade rumors and the reaction of many of you. There are essentially 2 dominant opinions:
1) Trade Bargnani, its time to move on
2) Keep Bargnani, his value is low, he will have time to regain some (and perhaps he could even find a way to be useful again)

Till today I was even between these 2 positions, tending at one or another depending on argumentations.

I have seen his last game and I have come to this conclusion:

Trade Bargnani – Now!

He displayed:
1) Lack of Focus
2) Lack of Defence
3) Lack of Effort
4) Lack of Awareness

Given he is healthy and has the physical tools and is very talented, where is the problem?
It’s a problem of motivation.
Looking back I see now that most time he played well he was motivated. Since he will not regain his motivation in this environment it’s urgent to trade him. I think the Boozer trade would be the best to come around (we have already taken the path of committing a lot of money, so we can as well go down that route).
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Its funny a player like Ed Davis who was taken no. 13 in his draft, playing in only his third seaon, who had to earn his playing minutes and had few if no plays designed for him has become a much superior and complete player. Bargnani was a spoiled child who has amounted to nothing in the NBA. Look how much the club played better without him in the lineup. Addition by subtraction, trade him now. Right now, you can honestly say he is the worst player on the roster next to Acy, at least JL3 and fields are making some type of contribution when they hit the floor. He is the second highest paid player on the Raps.

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i dont think anyone disagrees with this statement, but the question is What is he worth?

we have to package him with AA + ross to get someone of worth back.


i only have a problem with AA taking minutes from Ross and i think AA needs to go for ross to develop. i really hope we keep ross.
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bargs just needs to go based on the fact that we need to just cut ties with him and move on from him, i don't even care what he can provide to the team or what he can't, what his potential still is and what it'll never be
as a team they just can't have anymore "core" guys that you can't count on what they'll produce each game
who even cares if he goes to a different team and becomes good again, on this team he never will be consistent again, what's the use on having a player like that
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bargs just needs to go based on the fact that we need to just cut ties with him and move on from him, i don't even care what he can provide to the team or what he can't, what his potential still is and what it'll never be
as a team they just can't have anymore "core" guys that you can't count on what they'll produce each game
who even cares if he goes to a different team and becomes good again, on this team he never will be consistent again, what's the use on having a player like that
That's exactly my thought, and I think that there is at least 1 decent offer out there. I would do Boozer / Bargs in a heartbeat.
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That's exactly my thought, and I think that there is at least 1 decent offer out there. I would do Boozer / Bargs in a heartbeat.
Exactly, if possible I'd like to use his contract and maybe a could of the wings to get back a decent backup PG and big
I don't really care if a Bargs trade doesn't bring back a "star" player
a backup PG is much more valuable to us and if amir and JV are going to be our bigs of the future we really just need some help for the 2 of them from the bench
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Exactly, if possible I'd like to use his contract and maybe a could of the wings to get back a decent backup PG and big
I don't really care if a Bargs trade doesn't bring back a "star" player
a backup PG is much more valuable to us and if amir and JV are going to be our bigs of the future we really just need some help for the 2 of them from the bench
I think this is fair,

Raps get- Hawes,Udrih
6ers get - Bargnani,Dunleavy
Bucks get - Turner,Lucas

This gives Toronto cap flexibility, Udrih is an expiring but can be a solid pass first back up PG. If he fits the system,attempt to resign. Hawes is a dual big,who can come off the pine for Amir or Valanciunas while allowing the Raps to commit to Amir as the starting PF. His contract expires after next season,compared to Bargnani in three summers from now.

It's beneficial for the other teams as well,but I don't care to explain for them..
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I think this is fair,

Raps get- Hawes,Udrih
6ers get - Bargnani,Dunleavy
Bucks get - Turner,Lucas

This gives Toronto cap flexibility, Udrih is an expiring but can be a solid pass first back up PG. If he fits the system,attempt to resign. Hawes is a dual big,who can come off the pine for Amir or Valanciunas while allowing the Raps to commit to Amir as the starting PF. His contract expires after next season,compared to Bargnani in three summers from now.

It's beneficial for the other teams as well,but I don't care to explain for them..
Haven't seen anything pointing in this direction, so i think it will not happen, even if it would be nice for us (not so good for the 76ers who are not a team that could bring back the 2011/12 Bargs).
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bargs just needs to go based on the fact that we need to just cut ties with him and move on from him, i don't even care what he can provide to the team or what he can't, what his potential still is and what it'll never be
as a team they just can't have anymore "core" guys that you can't count on what they'll produce each game
who even cares if he goes to a different team and becomes good again, on this team he never will be consistent again, what's the use on having a player like that
Well done post Admiral. As for your point about posters concerned he will play better on another team and we really shouldn't concern ourselves - 100% agree. I like Bargs and would like him to succeed. I like the Raps even more though and anyone can see that Bargs' time is done on the Raps - too much past and no one on the Raps seems to trust him. That look Gay gave Bargs (either last game or the game before) when Bargs turned over the ball in the corner when he had an open 3 was not one of respect - to say the least. If anything, for team chemistry and the direction now of the team, Bargs really needs to go in the next 5 hours and 18 minutes and counting down.......
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Well done post Admiral. As for your point about posters concerned he will play better on another team and we really shouldn't concern ourselves - 100% agree. I like Bargs and would like him to succeed. I like the Raps even more though and anyone can see that Bargs' time is done on the Raps - too much past and no one on the Raps seems to trust him. That look Gay gave Bargs (either last game or the game before) when Bargs turned over the ball in the corner when he had an open 3 was not one of respect - to say the least. If anything, for team chemistry and the direction now of the team, Bargs really needs to go in the next 5 hours and 18 minutes and counting down.......
+1...Bargs has a future in the league but In Toronto,seems like things are headed for splitsville. At the start of last season,even this one,not too many thought his time with the Raps would end like this.
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Haven't seen anything pointing in this direction, so i think it will not happen, even if it would be nice for us (not so good for the 76ers who are not a team that could bring back the 2011/12 Bargs).
If Bynum returns,he and Bargs would make a good in and outside big man duo. Collins could educate and motivate Andrea
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+1...Bargs has a future in the league but In Toronto,seems like things are headed for splitsville. At the start of last season,even this one,not too many thought his time with the Raps would end like this.
Wow, that is so true....never thought the situation would roll like this and even after the Gay trade, I figured Bargs could be a solid 2-3 option with JV/Gay/KL being the top defenders for the team; with the ever evolving DD's defensive game there would be 4 defenders to cover lapses.

Surprisingly, I woke this morning thinking Boozer at least puts effort in and KL's and Gay's strength in personality should be able to offset Boozer's.
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Bargnani is going nowhere until the summer, that's my guess.
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+1...Bargs has a future in the league but In Toronto,seems like things are headed for splitsville. At the start of last season,even this one,not too many thought his time with the Raps would end like this.
It's really bizarre how it's playing out. He doesn't seem involved at all, why did they even bring him back if they're going to use him. it's like how SJ cautioned about bringing in Novak, if you don't pass to him, he'd be a pylon on both sides of the ball. That's what's really going on, meanwhile everyone else, everyone, seems as if they have a green light to shoot where he seems to not have one.
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Wow, that is so true....never thought the situation would roll like this and even after the Gay trade, I figured Bargs could be a solid 2-3 option with JV/Gay/KL being the top defenders for the team; with the ever evolving DD's defensive game there would be 4 defenders to cover lapses.

Surprisingly, I woke this morning thinking Boozer at least puts effort in and KL's and Gay's strength in personality should be able to offset Boozer's.
I've been anti Boozer for years,I never thought that I'd ever want him on my favorite team...but he can provide nearly 10 rebounds a night,low post scoring....sigh...I think Raps could squeeze into the playoffs with him...Nate,urgh...he's playing good but that's because TT is a no nonsense coach, Nate will try some foolishness on the court under Casey
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It's really bizarre how it's playing out. He doesn't seem involved at all, why did they even bring him back if they're going to use him. it's like how SJ cautioned about bringing in Novak, if you don't pass to him, he'd be a pylon on both sides of the ball. That's what's really going on, meanwhile everyone else, everyone, seems as if they have a green light to shoot where he seems to not have one.
His dominant strength and gift is shooting but you're right,they haven't passing to him and definitely not running plays for him. He had 4 Field goal attempts yesterday,3 game in one sequence under 10-15 seconds, then other one later in the remainder of his 22 minutes played...don't know if I can blame him there...he's the kind of guy who needs to hit a few to get himself going..
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His dominant strength and gift is shooting but you're right,they haven't passing to him and definitely not running plays for him. He had 4 Field goal attempts yesterday,3 game in one sequence under 10-15 seconds, then other one later in the remainder of his 22 minutes played...don't know if I can blame him there...he's the kind of guy who needs to hit a few to get himself going..
yet. he's not doing anything to change it... he stands out at the arc just 'spacing' the floor, he's kind of accepted being alienated and has not demanded anything.... it's odd. He seems apathetic to AA, JL3, Gray, Landry, and whoever to be stealing his shots. Why have him out there, is the team trying to prove a point? He seems as if he knows he's not involved and has decided not to worry about it. Almost as if he's been told he only gets a couple shots not and the rest of the time he has to just swing it or hand it off.
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yet. he's not doing anything to change it... he stands out at the arc just 'spacing' the floor, he's kind of accepted being alienated and has not demanded anything.... it's odd. He seems apathetic to AA, JL3, Gray, Landry, and whoever to be stealing his shots. Why have him out there, is the team trying to prove a point? He seems as if he knows he's not involved and has decided not to worry about it. Almost as if he's been told he only gets a couple shots not and the rest of the time he has to just swing it or hand it off.
Yes, he is apathic and not motivated. So it would be the best thing to move on (or at least tell him you are amnesty him in the summer, so he would be motivated to play for a new contract).
If his agent told BC to move AB than BC should do it. Nothing is as bad as a demotivated worker...
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yet. he's not doing anything to change it... he stands out at the arc just 'spacing' the floor, he's kind of accepted being alienated and has not demanded anything.... it's odd. He seems apathetic to AA, JL3, Gray, Landry, and whoever to be stealing his shots. Why have him out there, is the team trying to prove a point? He seems as if he knows he's not involved and has decided not to worry about it. Almost as if he's been told he only gets a couple shots not and the rest of the time he has to just swing it or hand it off.
size could be the argument,but for me the most revealing thing was Casey electing to go with Gray over Bargs,late in the 4th with the game on the line. Andrea did ok on Randolph at times but I felt like they had no confidence in AB. If Bargs could sense the lack of trust,either he doesn't care or is crushed deep down by it but hiding his emotions...its speculation,but Bargnani is a better two way player than Gray and couldn't get in at the game's most important moments,that has to be discouraging because it's not like Gray had an amazing game..

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size could be the argument,but for me the most revealing thing was Casey electing to go with Gray over Bargs,late in the 4th with the game on the line. Andrea did ok on Randolph at times but I felt like they had no confidence in AB. If Bargs could sense the lack of trust,either he doesn't care or is crushed deep down by it but hiding his emotions...its speculation,but Bargnani is a better two way player than Gray and couldn't get in at the game's most important moments,that has time be discouraging because it's not like Gray had an amazing game..
Yeah, and I like Gray... but they needed scoring down the stretch.... but they couldn't go back to him cause he wasn't even shooting.... Casey actually made the right decision then, but he's not handling the overall situation well.... neither is Andrea, and if there is a rift between AB and the other players, that's on the coaching staff to have a better hold of his team.
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