Trade for A Ballhandling Penetrator Please!
Old 11-21-2009, 02:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It's becoming a disturbing trend late in games where we seem to want to hoist up nothing but three's. With a small lead late in last night's game, just trading in close opportunities with the other team, would have easily kept us in the lead. As per usual we decide to live and die by the lowest percentage shot in basketball. Last night we got lucky and hit three treys in a row but that happens with us like, hardly ever. We had to go 9-15 60% from the three just to sneak out that win.

Colangelo needs to search and trade for a ball handling guard who can take the ball to the rim regularly if we are ever going to be successful finishing off games with any regularity. In the Phoenix and Utah games, we had the exact same trend, both winnable games, we stopped going inside and started hoisting up three's. What did the Suns and Jazz do, they went inside late in those games with Nash and Maynor repeatedly getting key buckets. Same in the San Antonio game, we had a lead going into the fourth quarter. Close till late in a very winnable game, Spurs went to Ginobli and we had no answer on our side, shooting nothing but jump shot clankers, the rest of the way.

Who is available, not too sure. Stephen Jackson was, and would have been a good choice since a third of his opportunities come from attacking the basket. It doesn't necessarily have to be a complete ball player though, even a specialist will do. Just someone with some speed and handles that can attack the basket late in games and draw fouls if nothing else. In any case, we will never join the elite teams until we finally find someone who can bring us this ability. It's a guard's league and to win tight games, you need to win them that way.
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his name is Hedo
Jack is supposed to do it, Beli penetrated and made some nice passes to Amir
DeRozan might be the future penetration
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beli too.
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Old 11-21-2009, 02:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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his name is Hedo
Jack is supposed to do it, Beli penetrated and made some nice passes to Amir
DeRozan might be the future penetration
Unfortunately, that is exactly my point. Phoenix was a perfect example. We're trailing by one point, with the final shot of the game and Hedo has to hoist up a shot from three point range when a two or a foul opportunity for one point is all that we need. If someone gets to the basket we even have a chance to putback a short rebound.
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Old 11-21-2009, 02:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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compared to rosters of seasons past, i actually think we're miles better at this than before.
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Old 11-21-2009, 02:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
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um, I think wade is not availbable
hedu and marco are very good at that, hedu is easily 2nd tier

there is no player in the league who gets to the rim in the last 20 seconds of a close game, did you see wade against NJ? He had almost an identical possesion as hedu, ended up shooting a worse shot (fadeaway 3), but made it.
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Old 11-21-2009, 02:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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compared to rosters of seasons past, i actually think we're miles better at this than before.
which is really sad....if you think about it....
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Old 11-21-2009, 02:58 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Jose was good yesterday as well. Finding open people. Hedo has lways been penetrating and finding open people on the outside. I seriously don't think we need ANOTHER one
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Old 11-21-2009, 04:01 PM   #9 (permalink)
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A ball handling penetrator? Mods! lol
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Old 11-21-2009, 04:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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We're one of the better teams at getting to the line, so obviously we're going to the rim alot more.

With guys like Hedo, Beli, Jack, Wright.....and once Evans comes back, Bargnani's going to the tin more as is Jose. I don't have a major issue with this team in that department. Could we use an aggressive 2 guard who constantly gets to the basket, sure even though Derozan is at times aggressive and will get moreso as the season and his career goes on. Is it our main issue....not even close.
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no this is completetly unnecessary the players we have now can do that hedo, derozan, jack, bellineli
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Old 11-21-2009, 04:33 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Maybe the problem is that the coaches just don't emphasize it enough. In Utah we went six minutes without scoring a bucket late, in a close game. No-one went inside, it was jump shot after jumpshot and at one stage we missed eleven in a row.

Going inside can be done, Maynor a rookie did it to us several times, late in the Utah game. It's just a mindset and sometimes just setting a screen in the right spot can get your ballhandler free.
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Maybe the problem is that the coaches just don't emphasize it enough. In Utah we went six minutes without scoring a bucket late, in a close game. No-one went inside, it was jump shot after jumpshot and at one stage we missed eleven in a row.

Going inside can be done, Maynor a rookie did it to us several times, late in the Utah game. It's just a mindset and sometimes just setting a screen in the right spot can get your ballhandler free.
This team has guys that can get to the rim, and guys that can get to the rim on a consistent basis, which is what made the 4th quarter in Utah that much more frustrating. For whatever reason be it fatigue, laziness or whatever, they didn't get inside. Unless what happens in Utah continues on a night to night basis I don't see a need to go out and get the type of player you're looking for.
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Maybe the problem is that the coaches just don't emphasize it enough. In Utah we went six minutes without scoring a bucket late, in a close game. No-one went inside, it was jump shot after jumpshot and at one stage we missed eleven in a row.
That's a clear sign of fatigue. When it's late in a game and you're tired + you don't feel you're getting any calls (which was the case that game), then that's what you get.

The fact is Bosh is going inside more then ever before, Beli, Jack, Wright, Derozan all get to the rim with some consistancy and Bargs is getting inside more as well. We're one of the top teams at getting to the line, so this isn't our problem at all.

As for Hedo taking the final shot in Pheonix, it's what he was brought here to do. In all his buzzer beaters and game ending shots how many of them were at the rim? That being said, did Orlando make bad decisions late in games when they went to Hedo late in games instead of going inside?

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Um the problem is defence? Not offence...
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YES!
they don't need a ball handling penetrator, they need a guy that can handle a penetrator
their ability to get to the rim has already improved fairly significantly and i'll admit could still improve, but the amount of improvement left there is not that large and can probably be done by having 1 or 2 of the guys just drive more

their D is just barely improved from last year, meaning there is still a lot more they can grow there

at this point i would say the Raptors are like a 7 or 8 out of 10 if you're thinking offense and another penetrator would make them a 9 while just getting some players on the team do to that more would probably also get them to a high 8 to 9 anyways

our D is like a 2 or 3 out or 10, there's a lot more improvement and upgrading that can be done there
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